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Any WiFi techies out there?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Stevie_Eye, Jul 25, 2016.

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  1. Stevie_Eye

    Stevie_Eye Active Member

    I'm moving next month and I have to buy a docsis 3 router to work with Comcast internet which provides 75 megabytes per second. I would really like to be able to port forward a few games of mine which I was able to do with my Linksys wifi router back when I lived at home. They are recommending the netgear N300. Is that a good enough router for gaming and can I port forward with it?
  2. Vaypron

    Vaypron Well-Known Member

    The WLan of this router is ok. But keep in mind, that it only has 100mbit/s Ethernet. So if you gonna connect multiple devices over Ethernet, you will only be able to reach about 10mb/s between them and the internet.

    Are you sure that you get 75mb/s ? Not 75mbit/s ?

    If you get 75 Mbit/s:
    At the moment that is ok, because you will only reach about 7,5mb/s of the 10mb/s with your Internet connection, but later on it could become a problem.
    If you get really 75Mb/s:
    I want to live where you live. And no, the router wont fit.

    According to some website: Yes, the N300 supports port-forwarding.

    Overall the router is ok, but if you gonna continue gaming in the next years, you will need to update it soon.
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2016
  3. Stevie_Eye

    Stevie_Eye Active Member

    Lol I meant Mbit/s and I'll be living with two other guys. When you say Ethernet what are you referring to exactly? I'm really new to this... Also as far as updating goes I'll have to think about it. Basically, to rent the Comcast box it's $10 a month and this netgear router costs like 80-90 depending where I buy from so I'm saving a ton if I buy it myself and it lasts a year. If I buy a more expensive one I would be okay with that as long as it out-lives $10 a month for however long it lasts. Also thanks for responding! I thought this post would die for sure!
  4. Vaypron

    Vaypron Well-Known Member

    Mb/s would be awesome:wink_:
    Haha, yea my bad. I'm talking about wired connections.
    e.g. You want to use a NAS(Network Attached Storage) to share files within your network and the NAS and your Computer are connected via Ethernet, you can only copy files between your computer and the NAS with about 10Mb/s.

    Ahh, ok. Yes, don't rent something from Comcast. Buy the netgear. You will be able to use it the next, hmmm... let's say 2-3 years.

    If you have any other question about networks/networking feel free to ask :smile_:
  5. Katana_x_II7

    Katana_x_II7 Well-Known Member

    I agree with @Vaypron, the router is okay, but you should probably just get a nice gigabit router that will last you awhile :) its not going to help with any outgoing or incoming internet, but internally it will be a LOT faster, and overall worth it i think, especially with NAS like he said. I use it all the time for NAS like stuff and its super helpful that its so much faster then a 100mb router
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  6. Stevie_Eye

    Stevie_Eye Active Member

    So I'm a tad bit confused about this. If I want speed I should get a wired connection router? I do have to accommodate the roommates too and they need WiFi.
  7. Vaypron

    Vaypron Well-Known Member

    I'm gonna explain it for you :smile_:
    Every router got a wireless-module(WiFi/W-Lan) and some ports for wired connections.
    Most router are made for people who wanna use their mobile devices(like tablets, laptops and smartphones) which don't have wired connection and to be honest who would use a smartphone when he has to wire it up all the time.
    So that router has it's strength in it's WiFi part, but to get a good price for the customer, most companies install low power ports for the wired connection. Like mentioned above:
    Only 10mbit/s instead of 100mbit/s.
    That's ok when you only want to watch videos or some online surfing.

    The problem starts when it comes to gaming.
    Wireless connections are depending on the distance and the materials between the router and the device. So you may have a 75mbit/s connection from your router to the internet, but between your phone and your router only 30mbit/s caused by the issues mentioned(e.g. you are only able to download with 3Megabytes/s instead of 7,5).

    Wired connection are more stable in this point. Sometimes you can go further than 100m with a wire and you have the same speed as 1m away.

    Most of all router have both. Ethernet and WiFi.
    If you can choose between them, because your computer is in the same room as the router, choose the wired connection. More stable and most of the time, More speed. IF(and that's important) your router has the ports to manage that speed.
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2016
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  8. Armbrust11

    Armbrust11 New Member

    The more devices in an area using wireless (neighbors and roommates incl.), the more subject they all are to congestion and interference from each other. Ideally you would use the newer 5Ghz frequency because not as many people use it yet, but your laptop, phone, etc. would also have to be new enough to use it (2014 or newer). Look for the term Wireless AC, and note that they are typically backwards compatible with A/B/G/N standards as well.

    Additionally, I would like to point out that a cable modem is not the same thing as a router, but they may be integrated into one box. For example, you'll notice this amazon page has options for both modem only and router combo. Whereas this page has options for router only and modem combo. The advantage of getting them separate is flexibility. For example, you can upgrade just one component (usually the router) instead of having to upgrade the whole thing, and you can place the router/wireless for best signal coverage and just run a long Ethernet cable back to the modem.

    If you do go for the separated option, it is easy to setup: just make sure the Ethernet cable from the modem is plugged into the internet port on the router. Any other configuration will cause massive headaches for everyone. I can see why some people might think that they should plug their pc into the internet port but that port is to give the router internet, not to give your pc internet. its a common mistake
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  9. Vaypron

    Vaypron Well-Known Member

    you are right, but
    1. keep in mind that the OP is new to Networking, so your post is going way to deep about for example all the wireless standard
    2. he wants to save the rental costs, so a modem and a router would be too expensive
    3. if the modem got an integrated firewall, port forwarding would be a pain in the a**, especially for a someone who is new to networking
    4. most of the modern cable modem have an integrated router, it's hard to find one without :)
  10. cafeFulvouscool725

    cafeFulvouscool725 New Member

    I'd say buy a router with Wireless AC technology, most of them are N, A, B & G backward compatible
  11. Armbrust11

    Armbrust11 New Member

    I tried to keep it simple: look for AC. Because AC will work with everything on the market right now. Its true that backwards compatibility is not really well explained, but fortunately as far as wireless is concerned I haven't seen any device that doesn't work with all previous standards. I just listed them because they are typically printed on the box.

    I didn't do a whole lot of price hunting but it looks like $150 is about the price for both (using wireless AC/Amazon prices) whether or not they are in the same unit. Unfortunately, my knowledge of modems is rather low compared to my knowledge of routers, but it looked like the cheapest modem would do the job.

    Since wireless AC is newer that means $$$$ so if that is out of the price range, then a cheap router now would get the job done (I can see a modem + router separate fitting his budget via amazon) and since he said he could spend a bit more he could basically save up and wait for the prices to come down (Black Friday anyone?) and be getting his money's worth on the modem now and be able to get a quality AC router later if he needs stronger signal or faster local speeds (though browsing/streaming will always be constrained by ISPs as the bottleneck). In my opinion, a wireless AC router is worth the investment now because it will be relevant for many years and right now benefits from using a less congested frequency (though that benefit will wear off over time, especially as they become more affordable to own.)
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2016
  12. Vaypron

    Vaypron Well-Known Member

    Your post was good and informative. But you need to be careful with the pricing. Depending on the provider, they only accept a special type of modem ("So there is no interference between your node and their cable network"). So he wont be able to just pick the cheapest.
    The router aspect of your post was completely right.
  13. Armbrust11

    Armbrust11 New Member

    That's why I said I didn't know too much about modems. I probably should have underlined that, so good catch overall. The one I listed looks like the same one amazon bundles with the N300 so based on the OP/Amazon it should work, and Amazon has a pretty good return policy but it is still better and less hassle to get it right the first time. Of course you may find better prices at other stores, I just use Amazon and Newegg as baselines for product research, comparison, and pricing. Plus I have Amazon Prime for 2 day shipping.
  14. Vaypron

    Vaypron Well-Known Member

    Fun Fact: I just realized that Netgear has a N300 with integrated Docsis 3, and I think that's the one that was mentioned by Comcast. amazon link
    The price is the same as for the bundle mentioned. AND it has Gigabit Ethernet, referring to the amazon page. So maybe the best you can get in comfort and price :-/, 'cause Gigabit is far enough for nowadays and if he needs more wired connections he can just connect a switch to it.
  15. Stevie_Eye

    Stevie_Eye Active Member

    Wow guys, thanks for all of the support :D I think I'm getting there. So the company recommended the Netgear N300 which is like $90 and it's a modem and router. I'm not sure about the Ethernet cable on that one though. All I can see on the back are two plugs that say LAN and I'm not sure if that's the same thing? I see the same Netgear company makes docsis 3 modem+routers with that AC feature for around $150 and the backs of them have Ethernet ports which, from what I'm understanding, is where I plug my computer into so I can slay noobs and what not, plus the roomies get their WiFi. Am I on the right track here?
  16. Vaypron

    Vaypron Well-Known Member

    You're welcome :)
    Yes, Ethernet and Lan are the same :D Ethernet is the technical description for the plug. Lan stands for "local area network", so devices that are directly connected to each other(with cables for example).
    Just a little mnemonic, WiFi or "W-Lan"(that's the technical name) stands for "wireless Local area network".
    So a cable connection would be without the wireless part, so it's Lan :D

    FunFact: WiFi is a marketing name from the WiFi-Alliance(A group of companies). It should be the counter part to Hi-Fi. So it's not the technical name, it's just marketing.

    Yes, you are right. That product would be the best of your needs. Just ask your provider about the connectivity. :)
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2016
  17. Hadesgatee

    Hadesgatee Active Member

    If you want Wi-Fi keep in mind that the further away your router is from your PC/laptop/phones/tablets/etc, the more connection problems you will get with it.
    Wi-Fi provides less stable / reliable internet connections
    -Divide Mbit/s by 10 and you got roughly your Mb/s
    - For best performance if possible go for wired connection = stability, faster speeds
    Obviously that depends on the LAN ports 1000 Mbit/s is great for downloading/uploading, streaming and doing this with multiple devices at the same time, 100 Mbit/s is fine for most as not everyone is using the full 100Mbit connection.
  18. Cowprince

    Cowprince Member

    Correction Divide Mbits/s by 10 and you'll have your MB/s, you still had small b ;)
  19. Vaypron

    Vaypron Well-Known Member

    Correction, Divide by 8.
    8 bits are one byte ;)

    e.g. I have 120Mbit/s. And about 15Mb/s.
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2016
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  20. Hadesgatee

    Hadesgatee Active Member

    Haha yes! Small b was a typo :slightly_sad: thank you for the correction Cowprince.

    And when you are in a store and see Mbit/s you are going to calculate 8.8 without using a calculator.... ? It is not 100% accurate when dividing by 10 but its plane easy to find things out quickly.

    So yes both corrections are Valid, thx.
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