I have been considering buying one of these keypads (Razer Orbweaver or Tartarus or Logitech G13) specifically for Dota 2. I'm a total archon level noob, and I have noticed that one of my biggest downfalls atm is teamfighting. I often get flustered and lost in chaotic teamfights, often moving the camera in poor ways. Thus, I was intrigued by the joystick/thumstick on these gaming keypads to use for camera movement (primarily) but also enticed by the ergonomic designs, which seem much more comfortable than my keyboard for long periods. So I had a few questions for anyone who uses any. I read that the razer keypads' thumbstick is basically a 4 or 8 direction d-pad while the logitech one is a full analog joystick (giving it a full 360 range circle movement). That makes it seem like the logitech one would have much smoother movements and might be better for other games too like rpgs or fps. Anyone have any experience with this? I currently use edge pan for the camera, although when I was an even bigger noob years ago I did use wasd for camera, so it isn't like I'm not use to blocky camera movement, but I figured it was worth looking into the difference and if the smoother movement is worth getting. Is it difficult to retrain away from edge pan? In particular, I read the Razer thumbstick movement is very counter-intuitive in that pushing it right is actually up (since the thumb is going upward when the thumbstick is pushed right). That could work for fps or rpg games but it seems very annoying for a moba. Can it be reprogrammed? Also saw that the logitech is full membrane while razor orbweaver is full mechanical (and tartarus is a hybrid). Anyone able to comment on how big a difference it feels? Lastly, comfort. The logitech one looks a bit clunkier, anyone know how it feels compared to the Razer ones which look much more ergonomic and the wrist supports much better designed? (P.S. As an aside, anyone know if the Logitech G13 was discontinued? It was support to be 50USD but I only see it around 200USD or used now. Also, I read somewhere there are 2 versions of the Orbweaver, stealth and regular but on Razer's website I only see the Orbweaver Chroma, anyone know anything about the stealth one?) Thanks for any info!!