I present to you Firebat's Blade 15! (144hz)

Discussion in 'Systems' started by Firebat246, May 24, 2018.

  1. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    You can check if you can see the green usb port between the gap. I can see it, look at my picture, on stealth I couldn’t see that. I didn’t tight very hard the screws like factory default, that’s also could be the reason on mine.
     
  2. Firebat246

    Firebat246 Well-Known Member

    No I cant see the port between the gap.. there is no gap on mine at all. I don't think I have seen many Blades with that issue yet.
     
  3. I tried taking all screws off and moving the back around to try and fix the gap.

    Nothing worked. There was always gaps on both sides. Its the build shape.
     
  4. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    It’s not really matter to me, it could be also the reason why my Blade has good thermal and not to hot to touch as some users reported, it has more heat out put lol;). Yes i don’t see Blade 15 user reported such thing too and on my previous Blade 14 i think I don’t have it, since i compared the build quality with my old MacBook Pro.
     
  5. KxS85

    KxS85 New Member

    I would recommend you contacting support. The screws on my Razer Blade Stealth (2016) have been loose from early on. When I contacted support about a loud fan and bad thermals I noticed a screw missing which they put back once they replaced my fan. But since then I keep checking and tightening the screws but they get loose quickly and have been losing them over time. I had support ship me new ones but they don't hold because the problem is with the chassis. Over time it has led to the bottom getting bent. One day I had my laptop open and had not seen that one screw near the display has missing and when I tried closing the laptop it got stuck. So I had to push the bottom lid by hand to close it. And over time and after replacing many of the screws over and over, the plastic parts at the corners near the display broke. Now the screen can only stay in some positions and when closed it doesn't close all the way and leaves a gap.

    My lesson from this experience: Never buy Razer again.
     
  6. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    You can forget those screws loose issues on Blade 15, it’s really tight. Idk about stealth, never open it and actually if I say honest opinion my stealth is better build quality than Blade 15. Some hardware like speaker are even actually better than Blade 15. But the performance difference is like heaven and hell, so I can accept it. Sounds you got lemonade device, I literally bring my stealth late 2016 anywhere from caffe, work until to bathroom, it’s damn good ultrabook, well if you got good device I think.
     
  7. KxS85

    KxS85 New Member

    I see that you have the 2nd gen of the stealth with i7-7500U. I have the 1st gen with i7-6500U. Glad that they have fixed the screw problem on the stealth but personally after this experience I will never buy anything from them. At least not until they improve considerably the quality control and durability of their products. There is a reason why so many people are unhappy with Razer. High price but low quality. They do have nice designs but I'm not willing to pay just for the design.
     
  8. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    QC Problem isn’t only on Razer even Apple and Dell has that, Dell has good price because of lowering technology that most normal users don’t know like their TB3 technology, heard they revised it with officially PCIe3x4 lanes, but in reality, performance wise on eGPU performance isn’t as great as stealth with dual cores. Well I moved from MacBook Pro to Razer Edge, that tablet runs still great despite battery and nowadays games requirements, it’s over 4 years so I think I can say that is not all expensive Razer products have a bad quality and durability. It was expensive for a tablet, I think I can sell the accessories more than its mrsp now if I want.
     
  9. Firebat246

    Firebat246 Well-Known Member

    I have had my fair share of QC issues with Alienware/Asus in the past... Honestly have had the best overall experience with Razer.
     
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  10. crypticc

    crypticc New Member

    Hi
    Hast this power limit throttling been acknowledged by Razer?
    I get immediate throttling when stress test on xtu and temperature in 60s and 70s and so cannot be thermal throttling.
    In XTU the power limited throttling is constant after several seconds.
    In fact temperature won't get up into the 80s.

    If I undervolt in XTU, then I can progressively allow CPU speed to increase to the advertised max but for short bursts. Only at -160mV does CPU finally increase to 3.8 and temperature then allowed to rise. But still very low.

    I wonder how many people not prepared to dabble live with a laptop running at 60% of its chip capacity
    Thanks
    Chris
     
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  11. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    Try change it to gaming mode, with balanced mode that I think 35 Watt, you won’t get 3,9ghz. And check also on HWinfo while you are running xtu stress if it stays on 3,9, i think last time i did that it was stable at 3,9 even power limit throttled. Note when all cores are boosting it’ll only reach 3,9, not 4,1, I think (saw sometimes max at 4,1 on some core after gaming or benchmarking).
     
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  12. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    Did anyone ran some benchmarks with Turbo boost OFF + undervolting ?

    I'm curious to see the impact it has on performance VS heat VS fans noise

    That's how I've been running my 14" (7700HQ/GTX 1060) since I got it, and at this very moment, doing light work, CPU temp is between 43 and 46, fans never turn on, which it great :)
    And I don't think my CPU ever goes over 60 (edit : between 60-65), unless I'm really stressing it (or gaming).

    I don't mind having Turbo Boost OFF, but I'm scared that the 8750H would be slower than the 7700HQ in that scenario, with the lower base clock.
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2018
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  13. misterg36

    misterg36 Active Member

    I have turbo boost off and -160 undervolt on the 1070 blade, and in Destiny 2 I didn't see temps higher that 75 - which is unheard of for the newer laptops (from the 6 I sent back)
     
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  14. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    75 is actually good while gaming

    What are your average FPS and visual settings in Destiny 2 ? I also play Destiny 2 so I'll be able to compare with my current Blade ;)

    And when you say
    ... did you return 6 Blades or 6 "other laptops" ?
     
  15. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    You don’t have to worry about turbo boost, there’s balanced mode that will limit cpu performance and give you a lot better temperatures and Fans noise. I think on balanced mode with undervolting (no other limitation like turning off turbo boost) I got 900~ on cinebench multi core score, that’s 200 better than average 7700HQ, temperature never leave 70ish. On gaming mode with temperature as trade off it’ll bump to 1100~, Temperature is still on max 80ish though. I was surprised once running Firestrike with high 9K overall score which is bad for 1070...but i found that I forgot to turn on the socket power for ac adapter;)
     
  16. misterg36

    misterg36 Active Member

    Destiny 2 at 1080p ultra 120-150fps
    Destiny 2 at 4k high 45fps

    6 different laptops, it's how I realised heat is the problem with intel chips, not laptops (and that reviewers were doing a lousy job by either not testing the laptops properly or being given "tweaked" units.)

    I had: Alienware 15 (1070gtx), Alienware 17(1080gtx), Acer Predator (1080gtx),Asus Zephyrus (1080gtx), MSI Titan (1080gtx) and a skullCanyon 7th gen with 1080Ti in a Razer Core.

    All of them went to 95-98C when gaming in an air-conditioned room in perfect temperatures. The Zephyrus hit 107C!!!!!!
    Even the MSI titan which was cooler, but even with full fans, one of the cores hit 97C.

    I got the Titan hoping I would never have to worry about heat, but when I did I realised if I was going to have to undervolt and cool etc regardless I may as well have a small form factor laptop.

    The Blade's ability to run at 30W is the only thing keeping it from running too hot (like I said it's an intel chip issue)

    You notice it less in games that use more GPU, but games that hit the CPU and GPU really cause problems (Ubisoft games, subnautica etc).

    So I've been really happy with the blade, beautiful laptop, and cool enough at 30W, but the -160 undervolt makes it perfect and no noticable frame loss (ie it's obviously running at less frames, but not so you would really notice.

    Also thermal throttling is really erratic, I'd have power throttling any day
     
  17. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the info!

    I'll try to find some time to play Destiny 2 on my Blade this weekend to compare the FPS

    If the performance gain is worth it even with turbo boost off, I guess I'll make the jump to the 2018 Blade! :)
     
  18. Firebat246

    Firebat246 Well-Known Member

    It has been acknowledged yes, but enough people have to complain about it for the engineers to really look into it as an actual problem. I am still working with the team on that issue and trying to gather as much data as possible to back up the claims. The problem is the average user is not keeping close eye on clock speeds etc.. so there is so many that will never bring the issue up... because they just don't know. Overall the Blade still performs within the ream of all thin and lights in its class, but there is more power left on the table.
     
  19. crypticc

    crypticc New Member

    Thanks.
    Have Tweeted razer support so will see what they say.
     
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  20. czesio007p

    czesio007p New Member

    Much improved, very nice:big_grin_:
     
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