i7 9750h Power Throttle.

Discussion in 'Systems' started by CyberLocc, May 17, 2019 at 10:50 PM.

  1. CyberLocc

    CyberLocc New Member

    Okay Razer, the Power Throttle on the 9750h needs fixed. The 45w throttle made some sense, on the 8750h. Even with it, it was hitting 85c+.

    As I sit here looping CB20, and my CPU Temps are 65c and power throttled, I am wondering why? There is a ridiculous performance cost here for no reason. The 9750h was made to run faster, and cooler, and your stopping that ability.

    Please post 9750h owners, your results and lets tell razer this needs fixed, this power limit needs raised. Every single 9750h laptop to come is going to decimate the blade that is artificially gimped.
     
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  2. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    How high is your cb r20 score and cores frequency while running it. If it’s on gaming mode 65 degrees is great temperature for r20 actually.
     
  3. CyberLocc

    CyberLocc New Member


    Hey sorry forgot to mention those lol.

    CB20 score highest was 2413
    Cores 2.9 - 3.1 That's only after undervolt, without the score is barely 2k.

    I also did some game benchs last night, mostly for settings learning, so SoTR Benchmark, the GPU maxed around same 70-75ish, and the CPU Around 70. After an hour of hitting it.

    The temps are great, I fully agree. The performance is horrible, there is alot more performance in that 9750h, that's being limited for no reason.

    Prethrottle when the CPU is running at 4ghz on all cores, and pulling 80ws, it hits 70-72c then the power throttle kicks in. Another words we don't need this throttle.

    Whether that's a testament to Razers new cooling Design, or the 9750 or all of the above, the power limits needs to go.
     
  4. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Lol you don’t need to run an hour SoTR benchmark just run the game, see after that all data with HWinfo64 sensor.
    Every manufacturer has their “answer” this 6 cores to intel, keep in mind this’s still 14nm chip like last 8750H with higher boost frequency, and Razer by power limit to 45Watt. I gave Link notebookcheck review about other thin light laptop in main thread checked that? and it throttles a lot, and Lisa from mobiletech just make review even on well known brand Alien m15 with 8750H it runs hot.
    Razer usually improves it on long run, I remember first cinebench r15 run was never hitting 1100cb, but after several updates I could hit 1200 in multi run. Probably it would be similar with 9750, after several update it’ll be better. Letting max cpu performance maybe can bring overheat issue for users who doesn’t monitor the temperature, which is mostly I think.
    There’s a way that may avoid this with a tweak but it’s on your own risk if you want to try, just pm me. I choose Razer solution over that though and reset it because I prefer cooler system than running on max boost frequency, there’s no huge performance difference in SoTR only add extra heat,
     
  5. CyberLocc

    CyberLocc New Member


    I didn't run the bench for temps lol.

    I was running the bench, to adjust settings to see what I liked best as a high FPS/Settings, at different resulotions.

    I just sold my desktop for a laptop, (which I will probably add an EGPU to soon.) As my desktop was too big, and I needed the portability, rather than buy a Laptop and keep desktop, I decided to trade for the laptop.

    So I had to play with the settings and such, to see what I would be okay with. I came from a desktop with a 2080ti and a i9 9960x lol. So completely different worlds.

    My monitor is a PG27UQ, when I bought it, I had a 980ti, and the plan was, 1440p and some settings down, when FPS mattered (up to 144hz) and 4k when it didn't. With the 2080ti, I could obivously max out all at 4k and be well above 60. Now I can't, so I was doing settings runs, and seeing the FPS and difference in looks.

    Now at 4k the CPU throttle doesn't matter, the CPU is running at the full 4ghz as the demand is not large. That's not issue, it's a problem on CPU tasks, and CPU heavy games.


    I understand the thermal issues, however as we seen with the last blade 85-90c was fine. I had the 2018 model, right before this as Best Buy had it on sale, I tried it first, then when this finally was in stock, sent that one back and got this.

    My 8750h / 1070 would have temps in the 80/90s, so the throttle made sense. But like I said, it does not make sense now. The temps are much much better on the 9750h, so we are losing performance for no reason. Other 9750h laptops, are getting 2900-3000 in CB20, where my blade is getting 2400.

    Now if it's a wall, IE like thermal throttle, where the system simply cannot go further. That's fine, I understand, it's not though. It's an artificial limit with no reason for it to be there. It had barely any reason on the 8750h version, where it was losing to lesser laptops. The new System with better cooling there is even less reason.

    A return of the creators mode, would be helpful, if that upped the wattage allowed to like 55/65. And had to be toggled, to allow either or.

    I don't care if the temp is 65 if it takes 2x as long to render.


    Hopefully like you said, they will raise the limit themselves and the score will improve in time.
     
  6. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Yeah here’s different world, you can’t water cooling the blade lol. Theoretically yes without power limit it should be around 3000, mine 8750H was 2800, I think that was with imon tweak or default, I forgot recently I run it without it was 2300. Do you have links for that 3000cb r20? I was curious about clock frequency and don’t tell me it’s a tank laptop.
    Creator mode is great idea, let them look at this thread, yeah on gaming you don’t need 45 watt~ 25 watt I’m hitting 3,9, but for rendering works it would help a lot.
     
  7. CyberLocc

    CyberLocc New Member


    Nope not a Tank its a Zephyrus 502. Which is not only as slim as the blade, its cheaper, like I said, an Inferior laptop is getting 600 more points....

    https://www.ultrabookreview.com/27050-core-i7-9750h-benchmarks/
     
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  8. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Thanks for the link. Quite promising at first read but that was not happy ending story lol.
    Apparently they could set well imon value on core vr setting in bios (from undervolting value that isn’t so low, 6700HQ was around-140mV, 7700HQ and current 8750H is -120mV stable that a lot users use), it’s exactly what I experienced, with setting imon in different way, it makes automatically uV-ing some value that made (tweaked) 8750H only could hold around -70mV in my test. It could spike to even 4,1 and mostly 3,9 (remember it’s 8750H), but thermal is higher than Razer power limit that on some demanding titles like far cry 5 was hot as in the hell, in 90ish area, pretty similar with that Zephy 502, only better...not hitting 99.
    That balanced mode that’s still too hot .This, this, and this are proof for having inferior performance, and even with undervolting it is still hot (good that they don’t show previous HWinfo64 page it’ll be full of red values:wink_:. I don’t think this laptop would last long on such temperature, probably they’ll do power limit as well like Alien and Apple do, after users complaining the thermal issue.
    But it was great idea if Razer can increase power limit on creator mode which demands cpu power more than gpu, and hope a happy ending story on gaming usage:smile_:. I think asus doesn’t find sweet spot yet on gaming usage that make such hot temperature maybe they’ll also optimize the setting for cooler gaming temperature.
     
  9. CyberLocc

    CyberLocc New Member

    Well they removed Creator mode on the new Blades. So unless they add it back, increasing power for Creator Mode would be a waste.

    Like I said, during the burst to 4ghz all cores, it's in the 80s. 85 max. That is a perfectly acceptable Temp for the Blade. A 65w limit would still give that.

    Even the Dell (non AW, and AW) have 55w limits.
     
  10. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    I see, Funny it was one new feature on rtx Blade. Can you upload screenshot like this? (Ignore the green Mark) A83AA09F-086A-4138-9C0E-962264CF2BC4.jpeg

    I don’t really know about Dell and alienbook, but I know Dell still holds laptops mobo dead record in a single users 15 units within 5 years from various Dell brands according NBR forum, they always put performance on the top, but once starting new categories, thin light they also being the hottest, I mean by far lol.
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  11. CyberLocc

    CyberLocc New Member

    I tried reinstalling Synapse as well, after you asking for a SS (this was pre reinstall) as I thought it was strange too. After reinstall still no Creator Mode.

    However I am trying again, This time I fully removed all Razer files from the program folders (including program data) and am reinstalling. We will see what happens. I may try to grab the Synapse from the stock drive as well and see if that has Creator, as this is not the Stock OS on my current drive.

    Edit: I completely removed all traces of Synapse and Reinstalled it, and still same thing as I SSed. So unless, something is weird for me, for the way I got synapse (off non Razer Windows) Creator Mode is Gone, and Fan Set is back, as I shown.
     

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    Last edited: May 18, 2019 at 6:36 PM
  12. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Thanks for screenshot, do you have afterburner? Can you check if there’s some overclocking value applied on this mode?
    This’s SS from RBA 2018 1070maxq, on gaming mode it applies automatically core +100 and memory +300 with cpu tdp locked to 45 watt (different bios version apparently different, some reported 35 watt and some more than 45 watt) compared to balanced with no gpu OC and tdp set to 25 watt. If creator mode “maximizing” cpu performance to 45 watt, theoretically by reset per Afterburner to 0 it’ll bring “creator” mode, so I don’t really need creator mode personally. But I heard that on RTX model there’s no GPU OC applied so users have to do it manually. If this’s right there’s no difference between creator and gaming mode, I’m not quite sure though since I don’t have rtx model. Maybe that’s why they pulled off this mode. In stealth 2019, there’s no gaming mode only creator and balanced apparently, acts like balanced and gaming mode on RBA 15 2018.
     

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  13. CyberLocc

    CyberLocc New Member

    Yes I have AB, no it does not overclock the GPU, nor the memory.
     
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