Paid to Play - What's next?

Discussion in 'Razer Gold & Silver' started by mltan, Nov 9, 2018.

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  1. SirJayDee

    SirJayDee Active Member

    I'd love to see Paid to Play coming back! It was a perfect way to replace my older Razer products over time as I use them too much.
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  2. traxed

    traxed Well-Known Member

    Are people who are currently part of the 43k+ members of the 'Give Us The Razer Toaster' facebook page considered to be part of the Razer ecosystem?
  3. iStinger

    iStinger Well-Known Member

    As someone with lots of Razer peripherals and a Razer case I am loving this idea. It's about time to reward just the loyal fans and not have entitled people ruining everything.
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2018
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  4. SESNut

    SESNut Member

    Is there any reason to still have points expire after a year though? The only way to reasonably get enough points to get anything now is to spend zgold and it would cost you over 500 dollars to get anything decent. If you wanted one of the top point items it would be thousands of dollars. That just seems a little unreasonable for a normal person to blow in a year trying to get something, especially since the items change every few months.
  5. ARMOR_152

    ARMOR_152 Well-Known Member

    A business can't have too much money on the books, that's why all gift cards expire. Like if you lost a gift card and found it in 20 years that company would have to keep track of that balance and keep that money on hand forever, that's why they need to expire.

    To get the top rewards you should be paying many hundreds of dollars since the rewards are worth a lot. (Or you can get lucky on Mogul and get a ton of zsilver) People putting zero money into Razer shouldn't expect the top rewards but be happy with the smaller ones.:smile_:
  6. SESNut

    SESNut Member

    Uhm what.
    Amazon points never expire.
    Credit card rewards never expire.
    And i said thousands of dollars, like 3000.
  7. PT.Singer

    PT.Singer Jedi Master

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to have an Amazon credit card to earn points? So if you don't pay in time, they get money from you with their APR anyway, and if you get rid of the card I think the points go away.
    This depends on the credit card. Some cards have an expiration on their rewards, and some of those that don't have an expiration on rewards have a cap.
    Let's not forget that above all else, the company's tagline is "For Gamers, By Gamers". It is not unreasonable for a company with such a tagline to expect that the users of its products will be spending thousands of dollars on games in a year, so this seems perfectly reasonable.

    Of course, those top tier products would be cheaper to buy outright, so it doesn't make sense for somebody who is not willing to spend thousands of dollars on games to obtain the top tier products using zSilver. Barring the Razer Chroma Mug Holder, I don't remember any zSilver peripheral that wasn't available for sale as well.
  8. SESNut

    SESNut Member

    Amazon gift card balances never expire
  9. PT.Singer

    PT.Singer Jedi Master

    But that is a gift card balance: money for equal money. @ARMOR_152 misspoke when he said that ALL gift cards expire.

    Gift cards are not the same as a rewards system, though.
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  10. Dunyas

    Dunyas Active Member

    Yeah, a gift card refers to money for a product or services to come later. It's seen as a loan, and has laws protecting them. U.S. federal law prohibits gift cards from expiring for at least 5 years since adding money. Some states prohibit gift cards from expiring at all. That is why a lot of large U.S. companies have gift cards that don't expire.

    It seems like the term is regarded here as a dirty word, but zSilver is a promotion to get people to use Razer. It's not tied to any concept of owing you anything outside of the rules of the promotion. You don't put anything in of actual value expecting to get something in return. As much as @mltan hyped the 'Paid to Pay' system up as Razer paying you to play games, he wasn't offering you actual employment expecting to send out W2s or 1099s based on how many hours of RDR2 you logged this month. It was something designed to get you using Razer software with the promise of Razer hardware with the hopes that you'd enjoy everything and pay for more Razer services. The idea was if you were interested enough in them to collect that much zSilver, they'd try to send you out something that represented the value of the time you put in dealing with them that you didn't have to. It's a mutual friendly gesture, not something owed to you.

    Right now we don't know what is going on with the zSilver system. We only know that the system is being revamped on Dec. 3, with zGold and MOLpoints merging into Razer Gold and zSilver becoming Razer Silver. It's implied in the FAQ that the rewards catalog for Razer Silver will be different, which means that the new catalog will probably be priced to match how you earn the new Silver format. But the fact is that it's an optional program either way. You don't have to take part in it. If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you. If you don't think the game is fair, don't play.
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  11. SESNut

    SESNut Member

    you didn't actually give me a good reason as to why they need to have zsilver expire anymore since paid to play is gone.
    also, use it or don't otherwise tough tiddies is kind of a terrible argument by the way
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  12. Dunyas

    Dunyas Active Member

    Expiration of promotional credits is so the provider of the promotion can better plan how the promotion works. When the original rewards catalog came out, prices were very low. When zSilver was opened up to the masses with the very generous Paid to Play, keeping the catalog full from the beginning was hard to do because people who had hoarded points before hand had a leg up. For the promotion to look good, the rewards catalog can't be constantly empty. Because of Paid to Play, the costs in the rewards catalog were reworked. To keep those prices low, Razer needs to make sure they don't get spiked by dormant users who show up with massive points and buy out the catalog. Razer chose to have points expire as their way of combating this. Other options could have been taken, yes. But it would kill 'hype' over the program. Razer thrives on hype, and considers it a badge of honor when their announcements basically DDoS their servers to oblivion.

    Again, we don't know what changes are happening right now. They are saying the whole program is in jeopardy because of the entitled attitudes Razer is dealing with because of the program. People demanding that the program work in their own best interest, damn everyone else, to the point of threatening employees of the company running the promotion is the real problem.

    @SESNut, your point is that points shouldn't expire as zSilver can only be earned from zGold purchases, and the rewards for that are too overpriced. Yeah, that would be a valid point if it wasn't a straw-man argument. You are making assumptions to something that is currently in flux. We don't know if new was of earning silver are in the works. The information we have is kind of spotty. We are possibly looking at regional rewards catalogs. We are looking at pricing changes.

    I'm not saying don't discuss how to make the program better, I'm saying don't demand the program work better for you. If a lot of people are having problems collecting the points to redeem, talk about it. But don't throw a tantrum because others can while you can't. Just understand that the program isn't for the proverbial "YOU" to get free stuff. It's a trade off and Razer holds all the cards. Constructive criticism is criticism that takes all parties into account. If it feels like you are not wanted, but other people are, don't try to burn down the house is all I'm saying. If your reasoning behind thinking a change is warranted uses a pronoun that points to yourself, take a second and reflect on what you really want and make sure it isn't out of selfishness.

    I also would like to point out that when I post on forums, I try for a narrative tone and try not to single out a particular person unless the discussion calls for it. Since I both tag and quote @SESNut, I just want to point out I'm not focused on you personally. I don't want you to think I'm singling you out as a problem user, because I honestly don't think you are. Like I said, you have a valid concern for the future of the program. My point is that pointing out potential problems to people tends to bring out trolls, and trolls are the real problem here. No point getting worked up until everything is done and we can accurately gauge what is going on.
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  13. Sve2k

    Sve2k New Member

    I didn't get to use Razer Pay to Play very much when it was still up. However, I know that if you guys find a way to bring it back, it'll be great for most people. People will be able to play their favorite games and be rewarded at the same time which I think is great for the gaming community. People like me who don't really have the spare money to spend on gaming peripherals can finally have hopes of getting zSilver and saving up for them. I think Razer Pay to Play was an amazing and extremely generous idea, and I hope you guys find a way to bring it back!
  14. KTheory

    KTheory New Member

    My True Opinion.
    I love razer products, and the chroma ecosystem. Loved Paid to Play, and was excited to add to my peripherals. Although I only had 30K zsliver before being suspended, I still held onto it, waiting for an update.

    My suggestions.
    - Paid to Play (Love it), This service should only be for loyal customers who have razer products. Razer should give more points for customers who have more peripherals. (For example, 1 razer product = 400p...2 razer products = 600p, and so on.
    - People who actually have razer products, are probably not the people sending death threats. The above suggestion would be perfect!
    - Interested in gift cards (amazon, starbucks, best buy.. etc)
    - make them link multiple accounts to the razer account, so people arent farming.
    -Not interested in Mogul/tournaments, friends and I are busy, and are just casual gamers.
    - Not interested in ZGold, only play 1 game at a time and they are AAA titles you guys don't have
    - Not interested in daily logins for 40 zSilver or low amounts, it just turns me off, knowing that I am
    getting such low amount of points. It just isnt worth my time tbh, and might aswell delete Cortex.
    - Not interested in other rewards (i.e. clothing discount,)

    -Honestly its the internet and not everyone is going to be happy. So Start banning them peoples/ blocking emails that have death threat like context. Cause I hate how that ruined it for everyone else.

    Thanks, and hope to see Paid to Play back for the loyal customers.
    Currently enjoing my (ornata, firefly, kraken and deathadder)
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2018
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  15. Gibson7

    Gibson7 Well-Known Member

    hmmm, more ways to earn zsilvers is always welcomed.
    a quick question for mltan, since you already launched RazerPay in MY and soon SG.
    Will there be plans for RazerPay users to earn zsilvers? like, how if we use zgold, we get some zsilvers?
    Coz personally, I don't really buy that much games to play except when games goes on sale. But I definitely would use e-payments more frequently if available.
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  16. Heavyoak

    Heavyoak Member

    just make it so you have to have at least 2 razer products owned and connected to earn and use zsilver.
  17. H00dy

    H00dy Well-Known Member

    One person takes hundreds of thousands of zSilver, while pushing the rest of honest idiots down and out of the roster.
    Result of the lack of requirements, during creating a new account.

    Love to say Keep it up RAZER, but this time i won't.
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  18. ARMOR_152

    ARMOR_152 Well-Known Member

    Wow that is sad, if people worked as hard as they did at a real job instead of lying and cheating they'd actually be doing quite well in life.
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  19. Parth1C

    Parth1C Member

    I miss Paid to play that much its not funny :oops: With in the last year I have had my hopes RAZER and the share holders would change there minds :oops:. They implement mogul arena to replace P2P I spent 6 mounts on it and never seen 1 Zsilver at all :oops:. When I played paid to play it kept me coming back and felt proud to be apart of the RAZER family ! As I don't have money to buy games and get Zgold I get $20 a week for luxury's including like a treat for my kid or take them to a fun park. I had to save up for ages to get the RAZER keyboard and mouse I got ! It gave me faith in the RAZER company that makes Billions of dollars profit all around the world every year that gives back to the people that play there supported games and help out people that don't have money but buy RAZER products when they can afford it ! But now that RAZER is even taking away the daily sign in I am losing all my faith in RAZER :frown_:. Its starting to look like that RAZER best interest is the share holders as the compony says its going to make it better for the RAZER family and the opposite happens ! I have faith that RAZER with your help Mltan can turn this around with Paid 2 Play ! ! ! ! . Ps Please keep the RAZER family together for ever mltan I have faith in you :wink_:
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  20. YouStar

    YouStar New Member

    [QUOTE = "mltan, post: 464097, member: 61"] Nous aurons différentes façons de gagner de l'argent mais toutes les méthodes gratuites auront de petites sommes d'argent. Et oui - il n’est pas fait pour vous d’avoir toutes les réalisations de zSilver Insider pour vous offrir un Huntsman gratuit - comme je l’ai dit plus tôt, nous le pivotons de sorte que ceux qui utilisent régulièrement zGold expliquent comment accéder au Huntsman gratuit ( et les moyens libres sont de vous aider à y arriver plus rapidement). [/ QUOTE]
    En tout cas, je suis content d'avoir 5 € deAnyway, I'm happy to have 5 € discount on the Razer Store and to leave with a mouse pocket for 1 €
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