Question...GTX670 vs. GTX960

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by evilrut, Feb 4, 2015.

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  1. rutland

    rutland New Member

    So I've had my GTX670 now for awhile and happen to now have an extra GTX960. Is there anyone out there that might have an idea if the 960 would be a better card than my older 670? I know my 670 has the 256 bit vs the 960 128 bit for the memory bus. But is that enough for me to keep the 670?

    Thanks for any input :)
     
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  2. xByakko

    xByakko Member

    dont think the memory bus will be the biggest factor for gpu performance. I'm not too sure on this myself, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But in my knowledge, the 670 was rebadged as the 760, and 960 is a direct replacement for the 760, which supposedly has better performance. So 960 is probably the winner with the lower power draw and/or better overclock (which is the result of the lower temperature from the lower power draw.)

    though I remember some source said the 760 was actually a rebadged 660ti. however the follow article said the 760 was a rebadged 670. so in any case, personally id go for 960.
    http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/nvidia_gtx760_review/1
    (in case you dont get what rebadge means, its basically rebranding)
     
  3. Destrok

    Destrok Well-Known Member

    I would assume that the 960 would be better, seeing as it is in the 900 series. However, I originally intended on getting some 770's for my new rig, but then was told to get a 970. I compared the 770 and 970, some were even the same price, and had almost exactly the same stats. It wasn't till I went to a review site and saw the different benchmarks that I settled on my beast of a 970. I have no clue why it is better, but it is, haha.
     
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  4. xByakko

    xByakko Member

    the 970 and 770 are different architecture. different architecture tend to result different performance per clock. plus the 970 consumes less power, which helps it keep cooler, which when combined with gpu boost 2.0, the automatic overclock will be higher on the 970 than the 770. the simple analogy is that when comparing the 970 and the 770 together, you are comparing a Lamborghini and a Ferrari, they are both super cars, but they are made differently.
     
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  5. If it is an Asus Strix version, then the 960 will be better for sure. Otherwise, the 670 performs better in some games and 960 does better in others, depending on what you're playing. You can see benchmarks/comparisons for various cards over here:

    http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_960_strix_2_way_sli_review,17.html

    It does seem that 960 performs a bit better in synthetic benchmarks:

    http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-960-vs-GeForce-GTX-670

    There's also a big difference in power requirement, heat generation, and general architecture, with 960 being much more efficient, etc. You have to keep in mind, though, that if you're going to play at resolutions higher than 1080p, the 960 performance will drop significantly, based on what I've seen from reports.

    Maybe you can sell your 670 and 960 and upgrade to 970 with the money you get :) That's what I would do - you'll get a phenomenal performance boost
     
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  6. rutland

    rutland New Member

    Thanks for all the information everyone. This computer is actually my wife's. I do have the 970 in mine and love it. And I might just try the 960 in it and see how works and yeah maybe sell them both :)
     
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  7. xByakko

    xByakko Member

    the performance drop is the 970 not 960. also asus strix is one of the lower performing cards on a non-reference design here, because it balances performance and silence. there are more powerful cards such as the gigabyte gtx 960 g1 gaming.
     
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  8. NazgulStig

    NazgulStig Well-Known Member

    It matters a lot. Memory bus width is like the number of lanes in a motorway, the more the better even if you have lower speed limit. For example: 128bit DDR5 has less throughput compared to 256bit DDR3.
    According to the reviews I have seen 960 is very similar to R9 280 so in one word the answer is Yes. You will see some performance gain shifting from 670 to 960. Here is a review on 960 and here is a comparison between 670 and R9280.
    Not all 960 has this bus width, do check at your manufacturer's site.
     
  9. rutland

    rutland New Member

    Thanks man
     
  10. xByakko

    xByakko Member

    yes i understand what the bus width would mean, however i wouldnt say its the greatest deciding factor of gpu performance within reason (i.e comparing a gpu with 256bit bus against a 64bit bus). also in certain types of load, the bus width would mean less, but of course thats not the context of this thread. but in conclusion and to avoid further debate off topic, I stand by my statement that i believe the 960 outperforms the 670 in modern games.
     
  11. NazgulStig

    NazgulStig Well-Known Member

    If you cannot push enough data in to a GPU it will have lower performance. GTX 960 gets away with it because of the new compression technology NVidia uses in 960, 970 and 980. This 128bit wide bus has helped a lot in reducing the cost of 960 and due to the new compression technology the performance drop isn't significant in real life. In all other GPUs there is a huge difference in it and is one of the deciding factors of GPU performance.
     
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  12. These are all present in the benchmark link I provided. The Gigabyte card and Asus Strix card have exactly the same benchmark values, pretty much for every single game listed there, so I'm not sure why you think it performs worse than other cards (the reference card performed the worst). It is smaller, quieter, and requires only 1x 8-pin connection vs. 2x 6-pin connections, so, in my mind that makes it a better choice. I guess it all comes down to preference in the end.
     
  13. xByakko

    xByakko Member

    which proves my point, our aim here is not to debate whether the bus width will affect gpu performance in a general speak, but rather compare specifically, the gtx 670 and the gtx 960, their real world performance gain. as you yourself have said, "the performance drop isn't significant in real life"(due to the lower bus width).
    So please, lets just stop and leave it (i.e. stop going off topic) at that the bus width may matter in other comparisons, but the simple answer atm, is that 960 is likely to outperform the 670 in general use.

    in your original response, of which i responded to, you specifically said "If it is an Asus Strix version, then the 960 will be better for sure" which implies that other versions of the 960 is inferior in performance, which is very misleading, thus i made that response. also i personally have varies complains of the test setup in the link.
    1, the gpu is tested on an open air test bench, which does not accurately reproduce (in most cases) the environment the gpu runs in, in the real world. and with the different cooler designs and different case layouts, different cards will have different degree of performance especially with gpu boost 2.0.
    2. the link does not discuss the overclockability of each card, and with different power designs, this will lead to different overclocks which are real world performance differences that again the cooler will also affect.
    of course i know reference designs performs the worse. no brainer.
    but yes ultimately the decision of which card is better is down to the individual. but my original response was to point out that your statement is misleading and that there are other performance options out there. i apologise if i incorrectly conveyed my message.
     
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  14. Verum

    Verum Member

    get a 980 classified
     
  15. Philak

    Philak Active Member

    Here you go, just a benchmark of both. A bit easier than all the technical stuff.
    http://videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=35&cmp[]=3114
     
  16. NazgulStig

    NazgulStig Well-Known Member

    Oh you misunderstood that part because you did not connect it to what I said just before that, "due to the new compression technology the performance drop isn't significant in real life." It is only because of this new technology deployed in 960, 970 and 980 the bus width requirement got reduced. Just wanted to make this clear to you now we can leave it alone.
     
  17. xByakko

    xByakko Member

    ahh just realised how badly I worded that, sorry. But yes, that was the understanding I got. (due was misused, my mistake)
     
  18. DrewLazz

    DrewLazz New Member

    See this comparison from GPUBoss..
    http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-960-vs-GeForce-GTX-670

    It's almost identical in performance, but with lower power draw. Definitely not worth the money as an upgrade; You'd be spending $200 or more for effectively no increase in framerate or detail settings.

    Depending on the 670 you've got, make sure you keep a nice healthy overclock on it. Most aftermarket 670s could OC to about 680 levels, and that's still plenty of horsepower for maxed out 1080p gaming.
     
  19. DyrusZJ

    DyrusZJ Member

    For me i think the gtx960 is better.
     
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