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Razer Blade 2016 GTX 1060 (Benchmarks)

Discussion in 'Systems' started by technokat, Oct 9, 2016.

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  1. Chuggz

    Chuggz New Member

    My fans also run high, seems like they get stuck there. I opened a ticket with Support. In the meantime, I noticed that installing the EC4.0 update made them run correctly again. You could also try something like Notebook Fan Control (https://insider.razerzone.com/index.php?threads/razer-blade-2016-fan-control-success.14410/), which did seem to help in my case as well.
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  2. fer.geraci

    fer.geraci Active Member

    I'm gonna get my hand on another RB tomorrow... Can't assure it will NOT have the fix already, but considering the timing, most probably wont..

    anything you want me to measure before/after wise? fan behaviors, heat, cpu utilization, gpu temps, coffee making capabilities... etc?
  3. futuresleekIvory485

    futuresleekIvory485 New Member

    The problem is that they come up with a fix but that fix doesn't even do anything. My laptop actually scores less than before the fix.

    It is a lottery ticket because some people in this forum went through 3-4 laptops until they got a good one. How is that not a lottery?

    I agree that all companies make mistakes. After all, they are run by people. However, it is the way they tackled the problem that is my issue. They said, it is a software issue while it doesn't appear so, at least not in my case. Performance variance of 3-4% is huge and unacceptable in manufacturing.

    Let's also not forget that this laptop was advertised as VR Ready. I don't know where FireStrike got the info but the laptop needs to score at least 9271 to meet the recommended specs. If anyone recalls, NVIDIA got sued and lost because they misrepresented the specifications of the 970.

    The only reason why I'm not very upset is because I know that my CC will back me up. I suggest everyone use a good CC when purchasing large ticket items like the Blade from Razer.
  4. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    The first batch was bad and they admitted it. They could have exchange the laptop 10 times and the issue would still have been there because it would have been from the same batch. It's not lottery, it's a problem affecting several units.

    If you still have an issue with your laptop, contact support to exchange it (a simpler solution than going through all the process with your CC company); Razer said that the units shipping since they found the root cause are not affected.
  5. futuresleekIvory485

    futuresleekIvory485 New Member

    I'm not sure where they said that their entire first batch was defective. I already have an open ticket with them but they haven't taken responsibility so far.

    Regardless of all that, a have seen variance in new units too. Score ranges between 9200-9400 stock.

    I have started to really like Razer. In the last month I bought laptop, backpack and keyboard. Their product designers are really good but they need to really hire some better CRM people.
  6. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    Actually they did not specify the "entire" first batch, but by the posts I've read here from people on their 3rd or 4th unit, I'm guessing that's pretty much the entire 1st batch.

    Lucky me it always takes several months before the new Razer Blade models make it to the Canadian Microsoft Store. Could be the Reason I never had an issue with my 2014 and 2015 Blades.

    But I also never pre-order anything and always wait for feedbacks on new gadgets before making a purchase. I come to this kind or thread and wait for everything to settle down ;)
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  7. In my opinion, people are giving WAY too much importance to Fire Strike scores. So many factors can affect a Fire Strike score, from obnoxious programs running in the background to any unoptimized performance setting. A "variance" of 200 points between two systems is basically the same score (less than 2%, come on!).

    What matters is how the Blade runs GAMES, not benchmarks, and games run fantastically on the Blade according to almost everyone who's been using it. Reports on how VR runs has been pretty much unanimously positive, on this forum or elsewhere. The only real issue with running games seems to be the rare case where the laptop discharges while gaming, and even that issue probably has nothing to do with the laptop itself. The stuttering issue has been likely fixed by the EC patch, as I and others can attest.

    Finally, that "lottery" business... I am sure most people exchanged their Blades prematurely. Some did so because of the stuttering, which seems to have been fixed now (and are now buying it again after having moved for another laptop). Others thought their benchmakes were low, when they very likely were very much normal. This lottery is a myth.

    NB: my fans were loud all the time as well. Issue solved itself after uninstalling GeForce Experience and Killer Suite for me (but maybe that was just coincidence). They're quiet now.
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  8. BeastOG

    BeastOG New Member

    The thing is, at least in my case, real in-game performance was worse too. When you drop another 10 fps in the games you play consistently after the supposed fix, that's unacceptable for any gaming laptop in general, and especially so in one with this price tag.

    Ya, I've made that mistake a couple times now, and it hasn't worked out in any of those situations. Patience is not my strong suit unfortunately :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye_:
  9. futuresleekIvory485

    futuresleekIvory485 New Member

    The blade is already performing below other 6700HQ + 1060 laptops. Most people have compromised by choosing the blade. Now I have to accept another 2% hit because of product variance. I won't for a laptop that is being sold at $500 above its next competitor.
  10. Lunatics

    Lunatics Member

    I installed the "Fix" today which I was worried about and really not sure why I did when my laptop has been fine since I got it getting 9300-9400 scores stock with no OC or TS. It installed fine and rebooted but now my mouse seems to lag when I wake up my laptop from the screen going black. I don't remember this happening before or at least not anywhere this noticeably but everytime I "wake it up" from the screen being black (not asleep) the cursors lags for 5-10 seconds it seems. I had my laptop running most of the day next to me at work mostly idling but it was a bit loud so I could not tell if the fans were any louder. I then went to shut my computer down to begin packing up and I hit start and my computer blue screened with a video scheduler error which I have not seem before. Not saying it's related to the EC "fix" as I also updated my nvidia drivers a few days ago last time I used the laptop.

    It's just a bit aggravating when my machine was running fine before hand, I knew I shouldn't have installed it and now I seem to have weird things going on. Will go home and update my intel drivers and see if there's another nvidia update, as well as run Firestrike again and see what my scores are.

    Of course, this is being 1 day after my return period with Microsoft for the laptop so if this caused issues with my computer I am going to be beyond upset with Razer. It's pretty pathetic there is such a wide spread difference of performance of these machines, then some that this fix seems to help, others it seems to make them worse.
  11. fer.geraci

    fer.geraci Active Member

    Back to the benchmarks, have anyone tried a bigger AC after EC fix?
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  12. Chuggz

    Chuggz New Member

    I've been testing mine with VR. It can run some lower end games okay, but more intensive games end up causing the GPU to get power throttled - it doesn't get heat throttled, it never goes above 70c, but the games start stuttering and having issues. Sucks :slightly_sad: Hopefully it's just my machine though cause I've had a bunch of other power related issues.
  13. fer.geraci

    fer.geraci Active Member

    Hey @Slizyboy can you run SteamVR ? what score do you get?
  14. Cool! I mean the testing VR part. Are you using any OC settings? Nvida driver version? Intel driver 4534 or 4542? Number of displays active and resolutions? Geforce experienced installed?

    I had a theory once, that Nvidia was misinterpreting the system being on battery while plugged in and chopping the framerate due to battery boost defaults even though I had removed geforce experience. I couldn't prove the theory but I did re-install geforce experience, set battery boost to max fps of 60 save, then disabled it and saved again. The benefit was an immediate jump in unplugged firestrike scores so I do think it was caching it somewhere in the card. I was going to leave it installed but it is at least a -100 score penalty to firestrike so I uninstalled it again.

    One other thing is on any problem go to tab2 of Nvidia settings and hitting restore defaults, then apply and retest.
  16. Chuggz

    Chuggz New Member

    I haven't yet, but I can. I don't trust the SteamVR benchmark as being really indicative of a good performance though because it passes a lot of machines that really won't cut it.

    No OC, nvidia driver 376.09, intel 4534 (i guess i can try updating this), geforce experience uninstalled, killer nic software uninstalled. No external monitors, just the builtin QHD one at normal rez, I'm testing with an Oculus Rift. GPU-Z traces indicated VRel and Util throttling, and observing the graphs it showed the gpu max freq bouncing up and down but rarely close to its max.

    Obduction and Elite: Dangerous are okay without cranking the settings, or were last time I tried. I've been testing some... other stuff which is definitely more intensive.
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  17. That happened on mine. I'm pretty sure it was before the fix. I said this before in this thread but the mouse becomes unresponsive sometimes, almost always when I switch wallpaper. I think it's a GPU switching bug but not sure.
  18. Yeah, update the HD 530 from Intel's website
  19. Dat1224

    Dat1224 Member

    well i got my cursor lag when i change any setting ( weird but only for 1-2s so who care ) and when log in windows then sysnapse start-up ( normal for other than precision touch pad or microsoft thing right? )
  20. Better performance on the path not tested, HDMI.

    Latest HD530 driver from Intel, but not using it much in this config...
    Windows display properties: select only the external hdmi display (laptop screen off)
    Clean install of Nvidia 376.09 with settings:
    tab2- restore defaults, apply
    tab3- PhysX: 1060
    tab4- display resolution to 1920x1080x60
    tab9- aspect ratio, perform scaling on: GPU, override the scaling...(checked), 1920x1080x60

    For overclocking +200/+400, No MSI constant voltage, No throttlestop.

    These OC settings produce CPU utilization graphs that look smoother (like running stock).

    Stock: 9301 11040/9593/4178 unplugged: 8049 9318/9631/3550
    OC200400: 9930 11891/9693/4514 unplugged: 8489 9886/9701/3779
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