Razer Blade Stealth - Upgradable SSD?

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  1. jaseow

    jaseow Active Member

    Ok so not sure if Im understanding all of this correctly or if im way off here. (Correct me if im wrong or provide me qith more information please)

    The razer blade stealth comes with a nvme ssd? And upgrading to a bigger size would require another nvme ssd (such as the samsung 950 PRO)?

    Using a samsung 850 evo m.2 will not be possible? Or would it be possible, just not at the same speeds? I understand the connectors for normal m.2 ssd and m.2 nvme ssd are different. Hence im confused if its even possible to install a 850 evo or will the razer blade stealth only accept another ssd with the nvme connector
     
  2. Unfair

    Unfair Member

    Not quite. NVMe is a communication protocol(host support is mostly a firmware/software issue) not a bus type(read: hardware). It does require an M.2, U.2, or dual-SATA connection to work, but is independent of the hardware bus support.

    The problem comes from the fact that there are 3 different hardware interfaces all using the M.2 connector and the M.2 sockets are not required to be backward compatible. The 850 Evo is a SATA drive, the PM951(which the stealth has) and the 950 Pro(what most people are upgrading to) are both 4x PCI-Express drives.

    We know the socket is M-Key, which means that it may support SATA and/or 4x PCI-E drives. Since the pre-installed drive is 4x PCI-E - and multiple people are getting full performance from an alternate 4x PCI-E drive - we know that it supports 4x PCI-E. We don't know if it supports SATA drives, because no-one has tried and Razer hasn't weighed in.

    tl;dr
    The 4x PCI-E M.2 socket in the Razer Blade(Stealth) might be SATA compatible, but none of us know for sure if you can use an 850 Evo M.2 because none of us have tried it.
     
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  3. MarcusChai

    MarcusChai Active Member

    yes that's the reason why i go for 512gb storage and my wallet have a big hole now.
     
  4. mdaly001

    mdaly001 Active Member

    I really don't find that to be that strange of a policy.
     
  5. MarcusChai

    MarcusChai Active Member

    it's normal all laptop or mobile device has the same policy
     
  6. .Z4x.

    .Z4x. Active Member

    Apparently, you never bought a laptop from HP, Dell, or Fujitsu, Toshiba, Apple, etc..
    Most of these manufacturers not only allow you to open the laptop for replacing (certain) user-upgradable parts, they also describe (meticulously) the replacement procedure in their user manuals...

    Of course, __some__ laptops (MacBook Air, for example) have __no__ user-replaceable parts and opening the case might, indeed, void the warranty.
     
  7. MarcusChai

    MarcusChai Active Member

    or wait for the warranty end only upgrade to brand new ssd ? but too bad RBS only SSD upgradeable. will be more perfect if they allow ram to be upgraded as well
     
  8. JonoJeffery

    JonoJeffery Member

    I've heard that you can change it over but it requires a bit of knowledge and quite a steady hand.
     
  9. toematoe

    toematoe New Member

    Having the same issue. Am currently on 950pro m2 but it seems that macrium is not seeing the hdd. How do I do a gpart on it so that the image can be recovered on to the ssd?

    Seems like my own bad judgement. For those who want to replace your SSD. Do watch out for the slot. It may seems slotted in but if it's not flushed to the screw hole and feel loose. It's most probably below the ssd slot which is empty.

    Realise my mistake and took off the sticker to have a better look and now macrium is running fine. :D cheers to the folks here.
     
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  10. ididntmemeto

    ididntmemeto Member

    I tried it, it isn't compatible. It needs PCIe.

    What a joke. So you can't even open it to clean out the fans etc? What a complete insult. Razer this and the fact that there has not even been an UPDATE about the Core makes me seriously regret my purchase and makes me strongly consider a return for a refund. Extremely extremely disappointed.
     
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  11. samuraidan

    samuraidan New Member

    Guys, I just did the SSD swap outlined by @raziel99 , it worked great! I bought a used Samsung 950 PRO off amazon for about $40 less than the new ones.

    [​IMG]

    At first my numbers were about ~100 MB/s lower than @raziel99 's until I realized I wasn't connected to power. After plugging in the power adapter this is what I got. Good news that the Core provides power when connected :). Also a noted that the 950 Pro is perhaps a little better on power consumption than the built in drive. We'll see if it has any affect on battery life though battery life hasn't been an issue for me.
     
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  12. Shurazer

    Shurazer New Member

    Bought an 850EVO can confirm it does not get recognised. You have to buy an NVME drive. Time to sell this one and get the 950 Pro.....
     
  13. MrOzzy

    MrOzzy New Member

    Guys, why the whole discussion about warranty void.....
    There is no, warranty seal, so if you are just carefull(read, no scratched screws,etc) and try to do the swap as clean as possible, then they won't even notice.

    When you have to ship the RBS back, just put back the original drive, and you are done.
    (I have done this mutiple times with my own systems in the past and never had any issues. Even with systems that had a warranty seal, just take em off very carefully)
     
  14. Saozhu

    Saozhu New Member

    last time I open razer blade (not stealth ) inside for clean fan , I still have warranty . I believe you could open it (in US country, china must be say no.) because if you fail ,you just restalled the old one and erase the SSD . and ask razer for help. 1 slot for PCle samsung pro 950 and you might need some skill to open it because there is a battery connector before your get harddrive slot.


    in this video said it will aviod warranty..... ...ok ,you are right .....
    but for clean fan ..... I think it is ok

    oh don't forgot ask them to get UBS system memory stick for install new SSD
     
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  15. squeeze88

    squeeze88 Active Member

    This type of policy is pretty standard across PC OEMs though.
     
  16. wired00

    wired00 New Member

    Hi Guys I bought the Samsung 850 Evo 500GB M.2 SATA 80mm SSD - MZ-N5E500BW. Its not working and assume because its SATA instead of NVMe? or something? I assume it was a bit mistake.

    By not working, i mean its completely not detected by the bios

    Damn, just read somewhere else that the razer blade 14 2016 is the same, it only supports pcie. well, i guess i better get a m.2 sata to standard sata converter to use in my pc or else where :/

    I assume this is the one i really want... https://www.pccasegear.com/products/33633/samsung-950-pro-512gb-m-2-ssd
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2016
  17. MrOzzy

    MrOzzy New Member

    Yes it has to be a NVME version.
    You could also get a SM951 nvme model those also work and are a bit cheaper then the 950 pro.
     
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  18. wired00

    wired00 New Member

    Thanks, yeah I saw those, on ebay it was the difference of something like $60, i just decided to go with the Pro, I've enquired if they will do a refund on the Evo, not holding breath though :/
     
  19. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    Did you enable SATA in the bios? I noticed it's there but disabled by default
     
  20. okay so im not 100% sure BUT i can take an educated guess, the SSD is an M.2 (little gum stick shaped SSDs and as far as i know since it is a 6th gen i7 i believe it supports NVME (non volatile memory express) so in theory you should be able to put in a samsung 950 pro (an extremely fast little drive that i 100% recommend) they come in 256 and 512gb versions that are ~ 200$ and 350$ US respectively.
    keep in mind you will need a fairly small Philips and a torx security bit (t6 or t5 i believe) if you dont already have these i recommend looking into the ifixit pro tech tool kit, i bought a much cheaper rosewill kit and it did not have the bits that i needed. so it is best to spend a bit more money once than spending less money on the wrong thing.
     
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