Razer Blade Stealth - Upgradable SSD?

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  1. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    It would be easier to just drop an image of your current SSD on a usb drive with something like Acronis True Image, then restoring that image to the new SSD once installed.

    Plus, you'll have a backup of the original config.
     
  2. thanks. Are there guidelines that you could point me to that would make this easier because I am fairly new at this and feel like id mess it up lol
     
  3. JETcoolCoolBlack681

    JETcoolCoolBlack681 Active Member

    Well, I suggest to use Windows 7 backup and restore in Windows 10 + Windows 10 USB boot drive. You do not need to download anything, but you do need updated Windows 10, USB flash drive and USB HDD. Otherwise both tools are very straightforward to run and once you have an image of your drive on HDD and a bootable flash just swap SSD and boot from the flash drive. There you will have a restore menu with an option to restore from external backup.
     
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  4. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    - Create a bootable USB Flash Drive with Acronis True Image
    - Boot your computer on the Flash Drive while having a USB HDD attached
    - Create an image of your SSD (pretty straight forward when in Acronis True Image) and place the file on the USB HDD

    --> Replace SDD

    - Boot again on the Acronis USB flash drive with the USB HDD also connected
    - In Acronis, "restore whole drive" (might not be word for word, doing this by memory). Your source will be the image file created earlier, your destination will be the SSD.

    It's a lot easier than it looks :)

    Acronis is about 30$ I think, but it's worth every penny. Saved me a lot of work and money over the years.

    There are other softwares you could use instead of Acronis, but it's my favourite.
     
  5. Sorry to ask so many questions but are the usb flash drive and usb hdd two different things or can I just use a fairly large usb flash drive? thanks again guys
     
  6. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    USB Flash Drive = standard USB thumdbrive
    USB HDD = ... any external USB Hard Drive :)


    it's easier to create a bootable usb thumdrive (flash drive) and backup the image on the external HDD (it's only a very large file, you don't have to erase the whole hard drive)

    if you only want to use an external USB HDD, you'd have to create a bootable partition for Acronis + a partition for data on the same hard drive, which is more complicated
     
  7. Calvin343

    Calvin343 Member

    It already has an ssd in it, for your case if you needed alot of memory I would buy an external ssd and just use that for anything you wanted and didnt need on the go and just use it at home.
     
  8. I know that it has an ssd in it, I know what I want, I want to upgrade the ssd to the Samsung 950 pro 512 gb. I get the mechanical part of the process. I am only confused about cloning my current ssd to the new one. I don't get why it wouldn't be easier to buy an external enclosure for the new ssd and clone the current drive tot the new one through that and then just pop the new one in. Why do I have to use a usb flash and create an image?
     
  9. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    - Because you need a software that can do that for you (hence the bootable USB flash drive)
    - You can't be logged in to Windows when cloning (again, bootable USB flash drive)

    No matter if you use an external enclosure to create a 1:1 clone of your current SSD to the new SSD instead of the "creating an image" method, you will still need a software that can do that for you. Also, you need to boot to that "mini OS" from a USB flash drive

    and BTW, I'm also looking to replace mine with either the RD400 1TB or XG3 1TB ... only thing stopping me is money! hehehe :cool_:
     
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  10. that's cool man, it ca support a TB? okay so if I do it the way that youre saying, How do I make a usb drive bootable, what does that mean? do have to do all this in the boot menu? Idk why but I'm still confused lol
     
  11. Badgertista

    Badgertista Well-Known Member

    http://www.acronis.com/en-us/tutorials/ATI2016/

    Look at "how to clone a disk with acronis true image 2016"


    ... does Acronis true image comes with Samsung drives or was it with Crucial drives? You might even have it for free with your SSD order
     
  12. soulreaver99

    soulreaver99 Member

    I posted a step by step guide somewhere in this thread but I also posted it up on my blog in case you need it on installing an SSD, as well as backing up and restoring: http://www.thegeeksoffice.com/?p=2136
     
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  13. Creambuzzthink677

    Creambuzzthink677 Active Member

    Cool post. I really like your header image. What phone is in it?
     
  14. brightcinder

    brightcinder Member

    Has anyone done before/after benchmarks using real world tests (boot time, standard benchmarks)? The boost from replacing the SSD with a Samsung 950 pro looks impressive in CrystalDiskMark, I'm curious how much difference day to day use shows.

    Thanks!
     
  15. Krose

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  16. kylechun9

    kylechun9 New Member

    I've managed to get a sm961 1TB version and successfully swap it into my Stealth just today. The process is rather smooth. However, I can't see the expected read speed boost in my bench-marking...

    before.PNG

    Something is wrong with this, supposedly.
    I've also tried the recommended NVME controller driver here but with no luck :slightly_sad:
    Any hint on this?

    [update 2016-8-30]
    I've noticed that there are people also facing the ~ 1.8G/s capped issue (not in Stealth but a standard ATX mb), and a total reformat of the disk seems to resolve it. However, I've tried reformatted the entire disk and do Windows 10 clean install but the performance of read is still capped at 1.8 G/s. This is definitely not a good news.

    In this thread I also saw others with Pro 950 capped at ~ 1.7G/s, which is not the full speed of that disk, too. It should really exceed 2G/s in read.

    Currently I have no clue why Stealth can not boost the full speed of sm961 (or even Pro 950). Supposedly it is PCIe 3.0 x4 m.2 and not capped by the limit of 1.8G/s...

    [update 2016-08-30 part2]
    Okay I think I may find something relevant:
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/10303/choosing-the-right-ssd-for-a-skylakeu-system
    It is the Skylake U-series CPU bottlenecking high-speed NVME SSD.
     
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  17. soulreaver99

    soulreaver99 Member

    So I sent in my Razer Blade Stealth to for repairs due to an issue with the motherboard. I told them I had a self installed Samsung 950 Pro SSD and they repaired it, swapped out the motherboard with my 950 Pro along with it as well without any problems.

    Got it back and it runs as good as new. In fact it looks like a brand new machine with my Pro 950 installed! Awesome service.
     
  18. Masquerader

    Masquerader New Member

    How would this work though? I just received my recovery stick from Razer but I can't get it to work for the time being. I'm having an issue where Win10 crash everytime I boot and now I'm thinking of swiping the SSD with a new drive
     
  19. Krose

    Krose New Member

    So the New Razer Blade Stealth has a 1TB SSD option. Does anyone know what sdd is inside of it? And does it have the bottleneck issue that Kylechun9 posted about?


    I'm hoping to swap mine out for a 1TB asap. Im out of space :slightly_sad:

    I found these Nvme M.2 ssd's. Does anyone know if they are compatible? Or if they will bottleneck like the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-OCZ-...8&qid=1474814188&sr=8-1&keywords=1tb+pcie+m.2

    https://www.amazon.com/Plextor-PX-1...8&qid=1474814188&sr=8-2&keywords=1tb+pcie+m.2

    And hold the phone! a 2TB!
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820147598
     
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  20. kylechun9

    kylechun9 New Member

    The bottleneck comes from the Skylake U series CPU, not SSD itself.
    And the original SSD shiped with the machine (the old Stealth model) is a Samsung pm951. If the new model use the same SSD, it will not be bottlenecked since its performance is not as high as to be bottlenecked.

    Put it simple, sm951 is superior than pm951, and sm961 is the next gen of sm951.
    Razer is not using the superior version. Probably due to the cost.

    For CPU, I am not sure if the 2016 model (having next gen CPU) will have the same issue or not. But I think it may be good (or at least safe) to stay bottlenecked due to heating issue and power consumption issue. :)

    RD400 should be okay to go.
    But M8PeG may not fit due to its additional heat sink. (Unless you'd like to try not apply it even if that sink is by designed shipped with the SSD together.)

    Well I am not expecting a 2TB version of 960 pro (consumer version of sm961).
    But surely all these three SSDs will have bottleneck issue.
    At least for the old Stealth model any NVME SSD with read/write speed over 1.8GB/s will be capped to that level.
     
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