Razer Blade with Pascal GPU

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  1. Katana_x_II7

    Katana_x_II7 Well-Known Member

    If you are so worried about storage, you can buy an external hard drive, and plug that into the back of the core. Then when you plug in your core, you will have more storage! If they added a storage option in the core it would just get more expensive, and that doesnt make since when you can buy an external HD for pretty cheap these days.
     
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  2. kurohyo

    kurohyo Active Member

    I'm sort of neutral about what @reloader-1 and @DeadOfKnight are saying, it would be nice to have to have a storage upgrade option, to play your favorite games anywhere(having them on the blade), and the other games in that extra storage option, but it would take a lot of bandwidth of the TB3 port and that would mean a lot more lag IMHO if that were to happen the blade+core would need more than one TB3 port connection and that in turn would increase the price for both the core and the blade, someone correct me if I'm wrong
     
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  3. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    The problem is the technical limitations of USB-C/TB3. Any additional devices you hook up to a Core reduces the bandwidth available to the GPU, which is already slightly bottlenecked.

    The Core is something that a segment of the market has been craving for years (I count myself in that segment). I travel a lot, like using a single computer, and playing lots of games when I get home (as well as some on the road).

    Storage isn't an issue for me as I focus on a couple games at a time.
     
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  4. Katana_x_II7

    Katana_x_II7 Well-Known Member

    The TB3/USB-C connection isnt bottlenecked at all right now with just the core. The most the PCIe can throughput is 31.5GB/s, and the TB3/USB-C connector handles 40GB/s. So we technically still have 8.5GB/s that can be used for other purposes, some of which is already taken up by other things the GPU and core need to run like protocols and stuff like that going back and forth between the two. But theoretically we should still have a bit extra for other things like external HDs.

    But not everything is optimized with the newest GPUs yet, so we still have a bit of performance loss from those. But in a few months once new drivers and new firmware come out for the core and razer optimizes it for the 10series GPUs and stuff, we should technically have no loss.
     
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  5. SladeNoctis

    SladeNoctis Member

    To be clear its $400 for those who purchase a Razer device in the Razer store, if you got it through Microsoft or any other seller you pay $500, correct me if I'm wrong. That was the case when I purchased the blade.

    With the 10 series GPUs and higher, the point of using the Core to get a desktop performance becomes muted. The Core works for a future purchase, where you want to upgrade your GPU performance then you use a Core or whatever external GPU enclosure that comes out in the future. Once the Blade has 10 series(which should be soon) or higher GPU the Core become irrelevant especially due to the price and the increase of performance. The docking solution is nice and neat but with so many other usb type c solutions, spending $500 or $400 for something that only marginally increase performance and add some expandabilty that usually cost around $100 may be steep for some.

    One thing is for sure the Core is a nice piece of hardware.
     
  6. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    If you purchased a qualifying Blade at the MS store, you can email Razer and they will provide you a code.

    Happy to help!
     
  7. Katana_x_II7

    Katana_x_II7 Well-Known Member

    You will still get way better graphics out of the core. Its rumored that the blade is going to have the 1060 gpu in it, which has anywhere from 4 to 4.4 teraflops of computing power, not sure exactly how much yet as its not out yet. But if i get a core, and a 1080 for example, now I have 8.9 teraflops of computing power. Thats over double what you get with whats in the blade itself, and you are saying its only marginally more? I would say double the amount of GPU power is more then just marginally more and worth the extra $400 for some people.
     
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  8. DeadOfKnight

    DeadOfKnight Member

    Core+1080=Over $1000? That's less value than the Titan XP. Worth it for some people, huh? Who are these people? I would hope they own a blade stealth, because with a normal bade it certainly is not worth it. Not right now anyway. Maybe in a few years when it's a bigger leap in performance for half the price.
     
  9. The current model was supposed to ship today* August 26 and has been moved to Sept 9 from Razer, although now Microsoft has been restocked.?!

    Please please tell me this is a good sign
     
  10. Axisball001

    Axisball001 Member

    this only means Razer want to sell more 970m. 1060 needs to wait.
     
  11. DeadOfKnight

    DeadOfKnight Member

    Your mom needs to wait. Razer needs to hurry the hell up, lol.
     
  12. Katana_x_II7

    Katana_x_II7 Well-Known Member

    I would be one of those people. That extra power at home is worth the price to me. Plus with that much power you will be able to play games at high fps for a few years down the road. Say, if i play games every day for 3 years with that setup (which i do play games every day), thats less then $1 a day of moneys worth im getting from the core and the 1080. So to me its totally worth it.
     
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  13. SladeNoctis

    SladeNoctis Member

    So I guess for $400 you get a Core and 1080, sign me up. Depending where you shop the cheapest that additional setup will cost around $1000 with tax, etc. Yes the performance is better but depending if that's you need a setup that ranges around $3300 for a laptop and plugin system is pricey. Not sure the convenience to all the files in the same pc is worth the extra cost. vs having 1060 in one laptop and a small pc with 1080 without the bottleneck of the Core, with a cloud service syncing the files like Google Drive. You have multiple locations of you file so if anything happens to your laptop you still have a back on the cloud and desktop. Heck pair it with a software like Multiplicity you can still use your laptop with your desktop. I'm not knocking the Core, It's great but its on the pricey side, just to get the plug in play setup.

    Thanks for the clarification :)
     
  14. Katana_x_II7

    Katana_x_II7 Well-Known Member

    Sorry I just meant the $400 was for the core. Yeah if you got a 1080 too it would be more expensive. To me thats personally worth it, because I want the portability and still need the portable power of the blade for work and other things. I'm a developer so I'm always running multiple servers and other things on my laptops, so I need the power, and need to be portable to bring it places. But love the idea of having a 1080 at home when I'm not out and about. So it all depends on what you use the computer for. If you just stay home all day and need a powerful workstation, then yeah a desktop would make a lot more sense. But when you want portability, and power when you are at home, then the core is worth it imo. And the core doesnt have a bottleneck, PCIe can only transfer 31.5GB/s currently, until version 4.0 comes out, but thats not for years, and the core can handle 40GB/s transfer speed. Its just not 100% optimized yet. So the core and blade setup works for people who need portable yet powerful for games at home. Not everyone fits into that category, so its honestly not worth it for some people. But it would be for me :)
     
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  15. spotRoseValebiz440

    spotRoseValebiz440 New Member

    I am dying to hear more about this laptop. Come on, lemme pre-order already!
     
  16. DeadOfKnight

    DeadOfKnight Member

    I still don't get why the configuration with the Core is in any way superior to having a desktop at home. Even with the Core, there are a lot of things you will be unable to upgrade. I wouldn't even be discussing it if I didn't like what the Core represents. Would I take one for free? Sure, sign me up. But for that price I would rather have a desktop at home than what's basically a docking station with an expansion slot and no standalone capabilities. Also, if you already have a desktop at home (which will always be the case for me - I'm not relying on one system that I can't just swap parts in and out of if something dies) there is really no need for a docking station either. This is why I suggest Razer put some of that R&D towards making all PCs with Thunderbolt 3 expand the capabilities of their notebooks at home. It's still going to help them sell more notebooks. The Core is a low value proposition.

    Now, cut the price to $300 and add additional storage, and you got yourself a deal as soon as I upgrade my desktop PC's graphics card. My old graphics card has a new home, and it starts to make a lot more sense for 14" blade users. As is, maybe for the blade stealth...
     
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  17. Katana_x_II7

    Katana_x_II7 Well-Known Member

    The only way its superior is the portability of the blade. You are able to take your computer on the go, and have more power at home. It is a bit pricey, but for people who want/need the portability of the blade, and more power when they get home, its the perfect solution! If you dont need the portability, then yeah a desktop is always going to be better.
     
  18. grit621

    grit621 Member

    Yep, this. And I don't want to deal with licenses for software on multiple computers anymore either. I've managed multiple computers for years, and if I can be, I'm over it.

    I'd even settle for a RB Stealth if it had 4 core cpu, more or expandable RAM, plus the RB Core.
     
  19. DeadOfKnight

    DeadOfKnight Member

    The Blade+Core is superior to Blade+Desktop that can be had for the same price? Because what, you can't figure out how to sync your settings so you have the same stuff on both machines? That's not a hardware limitation, that sounds more like user error. I have a desktop. I plan to buy the 14" blade. All I was saying is that the Core is a complete ripoff. Maybe you already bought one, I'm sorry you got ripped off. You could have a desktop for the price of the core. The only advantage the core has is being able to hook up your laptop to it and have it run faster. Why would you need your laptop to run faster if you already have a desktop at home with a 1080 in it? It makes no sense at all. For the blade stealth it makes sense because you could put an old card like a GTX 580 in it and you will get such a massive boost in performance right now out of the box. So you can have that tiny little ultra book and turn it into something that actually can play a game at a LAN party or whatever.
     
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2016
  20. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    The Core is $400.

    Build a desktop for that amount, including monitor, keyboard, i7 CPU and 16gb memory...
     
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