Razer Core connectivity to notebooks without USB-C?

Discussion in 'Systems' started by ExDe707, Jan 23, 2016.

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  1. Howdy folks and techies,

    the hype is real, and I'm about to board the hype train as well, but before I do that, I have a few things to discuss.

    The Razer Core, as we know, connects via USB-C Thunderbolt 3, male to male. The problem is, I do not have an USB-C port to directly connect the Razer Core to my notebook. However, I do own USB 3.0 and HDMI ports. I looked up some adapters, but none were from USB C females to USB 3 males. So I've found two ways which could make a connection to my notebook possible.

    The first one is to get an USB-C hub with mutliple USB-C and USB 3.0 ports. The Core's Thunderbolt 3 cable is male to male, so connection to the hub should be possible. There are USB 3.0 male to males as well, so connecting the hub to my notebook's USB 3.0 hubs should be easy. The good side of it is that it requires only 2 additional parts. The bad side might be that the transfer speed is reduced to 5Gbps, which should be enough as there were ways to connect desktop graphics way before USB-C was released.

    The second one is to somehow connect the Thunderbolt 3 into an USB-C female to HDMI male adapter. HDMI can achieve transfer rates up to 10.2Gbps, so it should work better than the first way, however, it's old technology and adapters to that are either rare or not even avaiable.

    So, the questions therefore are, would either way work or not (and why)? Are there better ways? Is it worth investing in the extra parts? Could the performance be hampered, should it work? Did I miss something which could solve the problem in an easier way?

    Let the discussion begin.
     
  2. bmoconno

    bmoconno Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't a USB-C hub require a USB-C port on the laptop to plug into?

    I don't expect that the HDMI port would work either, as HDMI is for packet streams of information (Video, as it's sent to monitors/TV) and not data blocks (how data is sent to the GPU).

    Does your laptop have a mPCIe port? Or a card expansion slot that would allow you to use a mPCIe card? With one of those you could setup your own external GPU without the Core, but it would also require a PSU. :slightly_sad:
     
  3. It would probably take the power from the Core, since it has it's own 500w power supply. Not sure about that though. Can someone confirm?
     
  4. greatking0527

    greatking0527 Active Member

    It probably won't work given the data transfer speeds of thunder bolt 3 and usb 3.0. Im pretty sure it only works with thunderbolt enable usb type 3 notebooks.
     
  5. USB - C for the purposes of using the Core would not be possible with an adapter since Thunderbolt 3 is connected directly to the PCI-E bus in the notebook internally. :frown_:
     
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2016
  6. mintouch

    mintouch Active Member

    No way. the core uses USB-C port but actually it doesn't use typical USB protocol to transfer data. instead of it, the core uses thunderbolt interface which uses same USB-C port but PCIe protocols. there is no way to alternate it to USB something. you may buy a laptop with thunderbolt 3 like blade stealth or xps.
     
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  7. elite.ire

    elite.ire Active Member

    I doubt very much that the core will work with any laptop other than a Razer laptop that is compatible with core. Even if that laptop has TB3 it more than likely still won't be compatible. if it doesn't have TB3 it 100% isn't going to work
     
  8. NazgulStig

    NazgulStig Well-Known Member

    You are right..
    @ExDe707 : this is how it is..

    Nvidia just released a driver with a Beta feature: Beta support on GeForce GTX GPU for external graphics over Thunderbolt 3
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  9. jdbogaard

    jdbogaard Member

    Razer has done a lot of open source stuff recently, I wouldn't be surprised if core works with select laptops with usb-c ports and thunderbolt 3 running Windows, especially some Lenovo ones given their recent collaboration
     
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  10. elite.ire

    elite.ire Active Member

    hope you guys are correct, that would be sweet :)
     
  11. NazgulStig

    NazgulStig Well-Known Member

    Check the screenshot for proof ;)
     
  12. elite.ire

    elite.ire Active Member

    :D, sry i did check your screenshot. i was guessing that by that screenshot your were implying that they would support more than just razer laptops. That's what i hope is correct ;). I personally thought that there was more at play here than just a TB3 port, i thought motherboard and drivers/software would have to be different/special to support the core.
     
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  13. NazgulStig

    NazgulStig Well-Known Member

    of course they would.. TB3 is standard across all devices and if the device is supported via drivers I am sure it would support on any device with that interface. After all driver is what communicates with the device ;)
     
  14. elite.ire

    elite.ire Active Member

    I find it strange that Alienware have TB3 on their laptops but don't use it to for their amplifier, especially if nvidia were planning on creating drivers for supporting external graphics cards via TB3 port :s. tbh i thought razer would be the ones devolving the drivers not nvidia (stupid idea :rolleyes:)
     
  15. NazgulStig

    NazgulStig Well-Known Member

    Aleinware's tech is pretty old and since they haven't rebooted it with an update post TB3 release they have to stick with that old interface. If they release a TB3 update for their Amplifier then it will compete against Razer Core.
     
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