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Razer Core pricing announced - $500

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by reloader-1, Mar 15, 2016.

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  1. Burgz

    Burgz Well-Known Member

    Just as you'd expect it... :confused_:
  2. W1N5T0N

    W1N5T0N New Member

    Seems to be rather overpriced, in contrast to the price points of the new blade models. Perhaps it is due to the very unique nature of the "open" device at this point.
  3. Predator5

    Predator5 Well-Known Member

    Well how are you going to add a ''decent card'' into a laptop so thin??
  4. While Razer might be the only one with TB3 eGPU product coming out soon, since TB3 is open standard, expect more similar products to come out soon from other manufacturers.

    Add to that the very nature of being new and unproven tech, many people will sit out and wait to see how it pan out.

    The steep price won't help much.

    I believe Razer did good by pricing Stealth at a very competitive price compared to its rivals. I was hoping the same for Razer Core :slightly_sad:

    IMO USD300 is good price for it. Maybe USD250-300 bundled with Stealth, and USD300-350 standalone :)
  5. Justin Boles_no_id

    Justin Boles_no_id New Member

    Well the Razer Blade Stealth is dead in the water to me. Glad I have not purchased yet as I expected it to be ~$300 like alienware. Looks like alienware is my main pick now as with external GPU even if it is propriety.
  6. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    That's a little too cheap imo...like I said, find me a TB3 plug n' play eGFX solution that works right out of the box for $300 and I'll be sold, I'll be right there with you. Alienware Graphics Amplifier was $300 when it first came out and the Core is light-years ahead of it.

    I think a lot of people just want it to be cheap so they can afford the Core for themselves, but think about this with a broader perspective, think about the company. Razer has been working with AMD and Intel for the better part of a year to build this thing and now has a competitive edge when it comes to the eGFX market. Of course, other companies are bound to catch up sooner or later, just like what happened with the original Razer Blade. But my point here is that you have to be willing to pay a premium for cutting edge tech - that's always how it's been. If you can't afford it then you have to settle for something else or wait. Core is launching first half of 2016, if not this week.
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  7. Detective_Chimp

    Detective_Chimp Active Member

    I think Razer went a bit high on their pricing. With other alternatives coming to market eventually I think the average person will wait. I don't see any 'hardcore' gamers wanting this due to limitations on cpu and ram choices. Which pretty much leaves people who love Razer and people who want the 'new thing'.

    I expect to see an initial surge in interest that fades pretty quick. Then, when some cheaper alternatives hit the market I expect another surge. At that point, I think you will see how much longevity a product like this has. In my opinion it really is a niche market.
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  8. xDchoisauce_no_id

    xDchoisauce_no_id New Member

    You know how people bought the ridiculously price/performance Macbook Air when it first came out because it was a first of its kind? (A super portable ultrabook that actually looks and feels great.) And now that the rest of the market has caught up with those ultrabook standards, the pricing became more competitive. It's not about whether competitors will catch up to them or not. If it sells, they will for SURE catch up. People speculated that Macbook Air was gonna be a niche purchase because of its price/performance, but you go to a college campus now, and a good third of a lecture hall is a macbook air. The niche was bigger than what the community expected (I think because we often like to overestimate the non-tech savvy population's ability to do price/performance...)

    I honestly have been a loooong time dreamer of 1 cable docking. I've been docking my laptop with 1 HDMI, 1 miniDP, 1 USB hub, 1 eSatap, 1 LAN, and 1 power cable for productivity and gaming uses for about 4 years. I didn't want one of those proprietary Lenovo docks and whatnot. We finally have a cross-platform dock that any laptop can come and instantly connect to all the peripherals with feasibility into mainstream adaptation (sorry TB2). If I buy the core for $500, use it for a year, and then Razer drops the prices because the competitors caught up and released their products, I wouldn't complain about having paid more for early adoption just like most Macbook Air users won't be complaining about not waiting for the Razer Blade Stealth (or Samsung Ativ book, to be more fair).

    Heck, Razer's competition probably isn't even gonna be market catching up on eGFX docks. It'll probably be a properly done, non-proprietary, WiGig docks.
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  9. Unfair

    Unfair Member

    $500 is too high. $400 is also probably too high. It's a USB hub, a NIC, and a PCI-E to TB3 adapter wrapped up in a fancy box. Admittedly, it's well designed, but not that well designed.

    Let's face it, we're talking about a product that is completely worthless without spending at least another $160(GTX 950), but for most people it's going to be at least another $300(GTX 970) to $500(GTX 980).

    To people saying that $500 is justified by the standards compatibility and all the R&D $$ Razer's put into this: Most of the actual R&D work has been done by Intel, Nvidia, and AMD. TB3 is developed primarily by Intel and supports hot-swappable eGPU inherently.

    Also, AMD and Asus both have TB3 desktop eGPU products coming soon and Acer has announced a dock with a built-in 960m for 300 euros. Both AMD's and Asus's are expected to have $200-300 price-tags. As an additional note AMD is open-sourcing their design too, so anyone can just copy it and make their own.
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  10. njbmartin

    njbmartin Developer of Awesome

    I think you're missing the point about the Stealth + Core combo. Your cheapest alienware laptop which is compatible with the graphics amplifier weights almost twice that of the Stealth. It's big and bulky in comparison. The CPU is an i5 compared to the Stealth's i7 which is a potential bottleneck for graphics cards. It also doesn't even have a 1080p screen compared to the Stealth's base QHD (Quad HD).

    Furthermore and most importantly, the connection itself is a major bottleneck. PCI Express 3.0 x4 interface only provides up to 4GB/s of bandwidth, which was enough for graphics cards some 10 years ago, but which may be not enough for today’s high-performance desktop graphics adapters in modern games. The site itself claims that a GTX Titan will work with it, but at a huge performance hit in comparison to a desktop PC or what Razer are offering.

    Need I mention the fact the alienware graphics amplifier only works with alienware?
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2016
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  11. Detective_Chimp

    Detective_Chimp Active Member

    One factor you are overlooking is that Apple has some of the best marketing out there. They hit their mark when they developed an ad campaign as the 'cool and hip' new item that fit perfect with the college crowd.

    Also, there are a lot of students and a majority of the work is on a computer. A lot of students were already using laptops. Having to carry multiple books along with a laptop was a lot of weight to drag around for 4-8 hours a day. A lighter laptop fit perfect with the surroundings. Then you have student discounts to go along with student loans/graduation gifts to purchase the new more expensive laptop. Which meant you have a crowd of people with excess money or a loan they weren't worrying about paying back anytime soon. I would say that is more than a 'niche' community.

    Edit: (didn't want to make a double post.)
    I wouldn't find it hard to believe that Dell has a new amplifier in the works based on the TB3 connection.
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  12. njbmartin

    njbmartin Developer of Awesome

    Absolutely, but it won't be cheap either ;)
  13. RScrub

    RScrub Active Member

    I expected it to be around 350-400. But because this is uncharted territory, Razer is able to set the price to what they want. Until a competitor creates a new Graphics enclosure that is able to plug and play, and connect with a TB3, Razer is in charge of the pricing. I don't think it is ridiculously overpriced to point no one is going to buy it, but it is in the upper echelon of reasonable price to pay.
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  14. Detective_Chimp

    Detective_Chimp Active Member

    Wouldn't it be cheaper for them to use standards that Intel/AMD developed and released than when they developed from the ground up with the Amplifier? I am not an engineer, but the way I view it is they are not reinventing the wheel. Wouldn't they are just adapt what they already have developed for their own connection to work with the new standards? This is a serious question. If they made the Amplifier at $300 that include their own R&D, wouldn't their be less of an investment using technology that other companies paid for which would most likely result in a lower price point?
  15. xDchoisauce_no_id

    xDchoisauce_no_id New Member

    Fair point about the marketing.

    In terms of the "niche"ness of the market, my point with Macbook Air was only about how widely accepted such type of ultrabook was despite the initial price point. I used example of a college lecture hall because I'm a recent grad and I first-hand experienced the growing domination of Macbooks in classrooms, but the prevalence of Macbook Airs, or now other ultrabooks, outside of the classroom environment is still high.

    I venture to say that EVERYONE wants an ultrabook-like portability and battery life. But their limited performance prevents a lot of people from getting one. Razer Core is currently the best solution for this need if you don't want to deal with having 2 systems. It's largely the gaming community that is the "niche" that does the price/performance analysis as one of the primary selling point. Most other people will buy based on "does it do what I want?". I do feel like Core is aimed at the not-traditionally-Razer-user (I mean... x4 bandwidth, single GPU..?), which might make a lot of heads turn in the forums, but as a business, I feel like they are aiming for the population, not the niche (which would actually be us, the people that talk about stuff like this in a forum.)

    1. Ultrabooks won over the casual users (web-surfing, video streaming, word processing).
    2. Within the above population, Core and following eGFX will win over the casual gamers (LoL, CS:GO, DOTA) that want simpler computing life (1 system. 1 dock).
    3. Hardcore gamers, the more traditionally Razer fans, won't be going Ultrabook gaming anytime soon. (superior cooling and processing needs).

    How many people do you think fall under #2?
  16. shinjin

    shinjin Member

    In all fairness the stealth's thunderbolt bandwidth might not be any better. The 6500u processor has 12 pcie lanes, 4 are taken by the SSD and at least another two (if not four) are taken by the wireless card. At best the Razer eGPU will have an x6 connection and if not it'll be the same x4 connection as the Alienware minus the proprietary connector.
  17. Detective_Chimp

    Detective_Chimp Active Member

    What I am saying is the market for the core is substantially smaller that what was possible for a lighter laptop.

    Take those games you brought up in #2. They are older less demanding games. Games that could be played with a $300 laptop from Wal-Mart. I think most people would agree that the typical game that is popular with casual crowd are not demanding, if so they are probably already playing them on a console. So would a casual gamer decide to spend another $500 in addition to what they have already spent on their ultrathin laptop? Would they want to spend another $200+ for a GPU? Would they be the type to want to drop the money on a top tier video card? Would the casual person be the type of person that is comfortable handling internal pc components? I think when you answer each of these questions the market gets smaller and smaller. I just don't see that big of a demand at this price point. This now becomes more economics than gaming. Razer products are usually higher end gear that the hardcore gamer doesn't mind paying a little more for, but the same probably wouldn't be said for a casual gamer.

    But this is all my opinion and I am by no means any type of expert. I could be wrong, but at this price point I just don't feel like the market is there right now. I do think it could catch on if it last long enough, but I think there would need to be a price drop. But if competitors come out with a similar product for half the cost in the next six months, would anyone buy the Core then?
  18. APATITEXanadutech438

    APATITEXanadutech438 Active Member

    Wait, if I'm not mistaken this is just a add-on enclosure without even including the graphics card.

    The price has to be really low for anybody to even consider it...
  19. NomadRT

    NomadRT Active Member

    I guess we now know why Razer went out of character and priced the Stealth lower than they typically do. Had they not done that, and brought this thing out for $500, it would have flopped.
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  20. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Well...pretty sure a lot would just for the nice looks and Chroma integration, including moneybags

    That's the thing...even competitors came out with similar but cheaper products in Q4 2016, I wouldn't count on them looking as good as the Core or being as durable & robust. The design is important to a lot of people!

    It is a bit expensive though. On the poll thread about the Core's cost I chose $350, but was expecting $400-$449.
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