Razer Core with Non-Razer Laptop

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  1. Derek712

    Derek712 Active Member

    I just updated the article with benchmarks with the 1070 with the Razer Blade and XPS 15
     
  2. vampirivan

    vampirivan Well-Known Member

    msi notebook are really bad looking...
     

  3. Thank you for the shout out.

    The dell looks like it took a real hit compared to Razer in transferring data. Did I read that correctly?
     

  4. Agree. Extra ports and storage is cool though.
     
  5. Derek712

    Derek712 Active Member

    I initially thought it was because of incompatibility, but considering it did so much better with the 1070, I can only assume it's because of the i5. It would be nice to see what someone gets with the i7 version.
     
  6. bearda

    bearda Active Member

    Yeah, it almost looks like the XPS hit a bottleneck or something just past the performance level of the 970, as switching out for the 1070 did next to nothing in comparison to the same jump with the Razer Blade.
     

  7. I wonder if the i5 being dual core contributes to the bottleneck.

    By the way... How did the NUC set up turn out!
     
  8. Derek712

    Derek712 Active Member

    The xps i5 is a quad core. It just doesn't have hyperthreading like the i7
     
  9. GS40 + Core Summary and Instructions


    I happy to report after a few weeks (edited 7/8/16) of regular use the GS40 and Razer Core are compatible. You will be required to do a handful of updates to make the set up work. Specifically, converting the GS40’s “Superport” to a true Thunderbolt 3 port. MSI does provide step by step instructions on the support page for GS40 6QE. Included in this conversion is a BIOS update, Firmware update and Thunderbolt 3 driver from MSI specific to the GS40 and finally updating the TB3 driver to Razer’s.

    This was completed with external monitor.

    Benchmarks and FPS for a GTX 970 have been posted in thread above. I will post additional scores when I install a 1070/1080. It will be a couple of weeks though. Traveling. And, frankly I am struggling to determine what card to get. Suggestions are welcome.


    1. Update BIOS. Don’t be intimidated. Just follow the instructions. Keep in mind you should confirm and then double confirm you are installing BIOS for GS40 6QE. MSI notes you can brick the laptop if you use the wrong BIOS.

    2. Double check BIOS to ensure TB3 updates are “Enabled”

    3. Update TB3 Firmware from MSI.

    4. Follow Razer’s directions related to physical GPU installation, power plug, TB3 cable and HDMI cable to monitor.

    5. Update TB3 with MSI’s driver. During the installation it appears you are removing the TB3 software. You are not. It is updating the driver. Odd though…

    Please note this step can possibly skip the MSI driver and go straight to Razer's but to be safe I would do it. You will need to have a TB3 device connected to complete the driver update. I used the Core without issue as the device. Keep in mind, this did not make the connection complete and at this point you will most likely not be able to see the Core after the update. But don’t worry you will soon enough.

    6. Disconnect the Core from the TB3 port.

    7. If you have Razer Synapse software on the laptop uninstall and delete.

    8. Install Razer’s TB3 driver from Razer website

    9. Disable, uninstall and delete the internal 970m drivers

    10. Connect the Core’s TB3 cable to the GS40.

    At this point Razer’s software should begin to load to the GS40. Including Synapse. You will also see the external monitor start. If it does not load then uninstall and delete TB3 and Core drivers. Go back to Step 4.

    11. Install Razer’s GPU drivers.

    12. Open up GeForce and update to latest driver. As of now it is 368.39. Not required but I did it without issue. At this point you will be able to confirm the Core’s GPU is being recognized in GeForce.

    13. Install Razer’s GPU Switcher.

    14. Turn off your computer. Unplug the Core.

    14. Restart the laptop, plug in the Core and you are in business with the Core’s GPU. If done correctly the external monitor will start.

    At this point you will be able to plug the Core into the GS40 and within a few seconds see GPU Switcher. Select Core GPU and you are ready to go for gaming. Play some games. When done let the system run for 30 minutes to allow the GPU to cool. Then shut down and unplug the Core.

    17. Load Nvidia drivers for GTX 970m

    18. Enjoy

    It is a fairly consistent start and stop process now. It is a much quieter set up too when gaming.



    Notes…

    When connecting and disconnecting the Core I suggest using the GPU switcher. Not required but I have been able to without issue.

    Some freezes with Doom and one with Watch Dogs. All games excluding GTA V are maxed out and high FPS. I will post results this weekend. (7/9/16)

    Chrome is slower. Not sure why.

    When the Core is plugged in there is a constant fan. This may be related to the physical switch or software issue. Not loud at all but always running. Not sure why.

    Windows Movies will not do full screens.

    There is a physical switch inside the Core. Unknown function

    The Core does act as a dock consisently. I have successfully connected a flash drive and mouse without issue. Testing Plex Server and Core's ethernet cable this weekend. (7/9/16)

    I have not tried Game-Streaming. Testing this weekend. (7/9/16)


    Let’s hope Razer continues to support this functionality. I assume they could turn it off whenever they wanted. All this noted, I will be converting to a Razer laptop in the future. MSI has a great products and the GS40 is a wonderful laptop excluding the toy speakers but Razer has commercialized a respectable modular desktop/laptop and I presume future updates will be impressive.

    Thank you Derek712 for suggestions.

    I hope to see more TB3 laptops posting successes.
     
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2016
  10. Rickdrizzle

    Rickdrizzle New Member

    Someone please test it on an acer nitro black edition. I purchased that laptop for the sole reason of using an egpu.
     
  11. bearda

    bearda Active Member

    It's worked out great so far. In some ways it seems like it's actually been easier to get it working on the NUC than it would have been on the Blade since there's no dgpu you have to worry about disabling or switching. I've mostly been posting in the dedicated Skull Canyon thread here:

    https://insider.razerzone.com/index...intel-skull-canyon-nuc-any-reviews-yet.14445/

    If you have any questions let me know, it's pretty much become my go to setup at home. I still haven't gone around to setting up my XPS 13 with the core, though.
     
  12. Here is the 3DMark Firestrike Test 1.1 with GTX 1080. Thoughts are welcome. I have not been able to locate Razer Blade + Core + GTX 1080 results. Anyone know how it compares to the Blade + Core and is overclocking a possibility?
     

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  13. Derek712

    Derek712 Active Member

    I'll have an asus Strix 1080 next week. It's overclockable. I'll let you know how it turns out
     
  14. bearda

    bearda Active Member

    It looks like Dell just put out a new Thunderbolt3 firmware and controller driver update for the XPS 9350. I haven't tried them yet, but I'd suggest anyone using the core with one look into them.
     
  15. Derek712

    Derek712 Active Member

    I'll check it out when I get home. The previous version thunderbolt on bios 1.19 has been working pretty good so far though
     
  16. bearda

    bearda Active Member

    I'm a little surprised, they've done quite a few BIOS updates since then.
     
  17. Derek712

    Derek712 Active Member

    The later bios versions cause some performance issues with the core for some reason. My graphics score in fire strike is 5000 points lower on the latest bios
     
  18. PastelGraywatchsharp937

    PastelGraywatchsharp937 Active Member

    Hey guys,

    I've been working on getting my core working with my XPS 15 as well. It's not that stable, but the performance is there. I'm fairly certain it's the same TB3 issues that have long plagued this machine with the TB/WD15 docks.

    My account has been limited here on razerzone, making posting/browsing nearly impossible, but the thread is on NBR here if you are curious.
     
  19. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    Why is your account limited? You are one of the posters I most appreciate in regards to thoughts/feedback. Can I help?
     
  20. PastelGraywatchsharp937

    PastelGraywatchsharp937 Active Member

    I swore in a post. @Razer|Technokat messaged me and said "your account may be limited based on this action", and then it was. I made a second account so I could try to keep contributing which was then banned as well.

    Despite that I didn't curse in any post since then.
     
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2016
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