Razer Modular Mechanical Keyboard

Discussion in 'Keyboards' started by Idbaryion, Feb 5, 2017.

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A Razer mechanical keyboard

  1. Yes! I'd love to be able to have different switch combos on my keyboard and switch whenever I want

  2. No, because I can simply pick whichever keyboard version I want and never look back

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  1. Idbaryion

    Idbaryion New Member

    I don't know if it's OK to share this link but it's a great demo of a modular mechanical keyboard:



    I'd love Razer to make a new Blackwidow X "V2" with modular switches. I'm pretty sure Razer could improve on this design and stick some chroma on top of it. I personally love customization when it comes to periferals and Razer would excel on a design like this, especially now that they've got the new yellow switches.

    How do you guys feel about it? Would you switch your current mechanical keyboard with the ability to chose what types of switches you can use on your keyboard?
     
  2. TexasGamer1337

    TexasGamer1337 Well-Known Member

    This would be a bad idea since I don't want different type of feeling from each switch it would be very uncomfortable to type also what is the point? Do you gain a advantage? The answer is No. This idea is just silly and not needed. You do also remember razer only has 3 switchs vs Cherry mx with 8 switchs. Besides if you don't like the switch you bought return it.
     
  3. JeremyLWK

    JeremyLWK Active Member

    Normally, if anyone would want to customize their key switches, they can go to Ducky to do so, besides, Razer needs to focus on improving their keyboard quality, and focus on adding better or improving features that are available on their current keyboards. I doubt people who often customize their keyboards with Cherry MX keys would got for Razer's notoriously unpopular switches. Razer's new switches seem to be a lot better than the previous Kailh switches, and I guess it would take time for the public to get used to them.
     
  4. TexasGamer1337

    TexasGamer1337 Well-Known Member

    Well Razer switches are now greetech I just watched video on the brand and it apparently worst than Kailh switch. tbh they need to step up the game and go with Cherry I know Cherry is very expensive and doesn't have a lot of switches produce but seriously Cherry Mx Razer Green Switch with rgb Doesn't sound bad. it would be amazing for them to do that.
     
  5. JeremyLWK

    JeremyLWK Active Member

    I hope Razer can bring their blueprints to Cherry and get them to agree to manufacture them to Razer's specifics.
     
  6. Katana_x_II7

    Katana_x_II7 Well-Known Member

    That sounds like it would be very expensive. Not sure they would ever do that when they can probably save money by going to a less well known manufacturer.

    what video was this? how are greetechs worse then kailh?
     
  7. TexasGamer1337

    TexasGamer1337 Well-Known Member

    Randomfrankp made a video on all the different type of switches. Also Who cares if it expensive its about the product and the customer. I don't want Chinese made switches i rather have German made switches that are tested and built correctly. fyi Razer has money to use cherry its just that they can't get a contract
     
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  8. Katana_x_II7

    Katana_x_II7 Well-Known Member

    do you have a link to the video? i would be interested in watching it :)
     
  9. Skrunch

    Skrunch Active Member

    I saw that video, pretty sure he didn't say they were worse than Kailh, if anything he said they were a noticeable improvement. Pretty much every reviewer agrees that the Greetech switch is superior over the Kailh one and put it on par or better than the Cherry MX equivalent, here are some proper comparison reviews:





    I also highly doubt Cherry could meet production needs for Razer switches, Cherry especially struggles with their RGB MX Blue switch, both in QA and availability so if Corsair can't even get their hands on them for months at a time, I highly doubt they'd be able to meet Razer's demand with their clicky switch being the most popular.

    Lastly, one thing you have to remember is Razer switches feel very different than the switches Kailh and Greetech produce for normal consumer use, I had an Azio RGB keyboard with Kailh Blue switches and they felt nothing like the ones in my 2014 BW Chroma did, not going to say they felt bad or anything, it was just completely different in sound/feel and I assume it's the same thing for Greetech. I will say though that I did like Cherry MX Blues more than both the Kailh Blue and 2014 Razer Green, but between the new Razer switch and Cherry MX Blues, I'd say they're equal.
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2017
  10. Katana_x_II7

    Katana_x_II7 Well-Known Member

    Where is this video that everyone is talking about! lol

    Thats a good point. Razers keyboards are pretty much always in high demand, so they need to find a manufacturer thats able to meet that demand.
     
  11. Skrunch

    Skrunch Active Member

    Here's Randomfrankp's video:

    Here's Brainbeans:
     
  12. JeremyLWK

    JeremyLWK Active Member

    While I would agree that Kailh is worst than Greetech according to my own experience, I believe Razer shouldn't go around to "save cost" too much. Because Min Liang and the rest of Razer does swear by "For Gamers, by Gamers" and promises the best for their fans. By cost cutting by going to Chinese manufacturers felt like a "betrayal" perhaps. Most people I knew back then were so upset about the BlackWidows changing switch manufacturers, that they switched to Corsair and are now shouting #teamcorsair all the time now.
     
  13. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Lol what? Actually Razer used Cherry MX before they made their own switches. And they still offer some keyboards with Cherry MX.
    I think this is probably too niche to warrant implementation, for Razer at least. I don't think enough people would care. For example, I type a lot so I want my switches to be consistent instead of mismatched. I think most people don't even take their keyboard apart to clean, so fiddling with switches is probably out of the question for them. I know there are some uses, people make the WASD cluster heavier etc. but I still don't think the benefit is huge. The way they have things now is probably best - people should do their own research first before deciding which switch to get.

    But if the underlying question you're asking is should Razer make their mechanical switches easily removable, I could support that. There are keyboards where you can simply pull out the switches and pop in new ones. That could be handy for replacing broken switches or using custom ones. Right now they're simply soldered onto the PCB so removing them is a huge pain.

    All in all, imo, Razer keyboards aren't perfect. They still have work to do. There are many other customer critiques they still have yet to address, such as fully backlit keys (symbols and all), mechanical switches, different variations, QC, etc. I would rather see them allocate resources towards those first.
     
  14. TexasGamer1337

    TexasGamer1337 Well-Known Member

    What I was saying was they can't get Cherry mx to give them a Contact due to the fact they have special blueprints about what they want like RGB lights and the 1.9 mm press activation. Cherry doesn't want to spend the money to do that, they would rather favor Corsair, and some logitech keyboards.
     
  15. Skrunch

    Skrunch Active Member

    Well, you also have to remember that Cherry and Corsair agreed to a two year exclusive contract to the RGB switches from 2014-2016, so it didn't give Razer and other manufacturers much choice except to look for alternatives for RGB switches, as that was the big craze at the moment. Razer went with Kailh/Greetech the past two years, Logitech with Omron and Steelseries also went with Kailh to develop their own switches.

    At this point, Razer and other companies have probably invested some significant money in the production lines of their switches to simply just abandon them and start buying Cherry's RGB switches, and like I stated before, good luck getting a keyboard with RGB MX Blues from pretty much anyone but Ducky in consistent batches. Razer still sells the non RGB MX Blues on their "Ultimate" BlackWidow lines, so there's at least some options available.
     
  16. TexasGamer1337

    TexasGamer1337 Well-Known Member

    I don't understand why Cherry Mx blue RGB is so hard to find its legit just a rgb light on the switch it shouldn't be that hard to make. All i am saying is that Razer should go back to Cherry to create the Razer Green Switch You realize it would be the best keyboard that a gamer would use. Cherry mx is a very good switch and very well made So that why i want to see a Cherry razer Green switch maybe for limited time or make it limited.
     
  17. Skrunch

    Skrunch Active Member

    It's not just a switch with an RGB light on it, it has a whole different case and construction compared to non RGB switches, the actual RGB LED and switch is placed inside the crystal shell as opposed to having it exposed at the top of the switch. As to why they do that, supposedly it's so the LED lasts longer. It's the main reason why the RGB MX Blue switch is pretty rare, the downside is the crystal shell construction causes issues with a normal MX Blue switch which is why they're rare and require much more QA than a Red or Brown switch. Corsair had massive problems with it in 2014, discontinued it for two years and again had problems with them on their 2016 release with the LUX K70. Just take a look at all the complaints people had with it:

    Newegg Reviews- https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...24&cm_re=CH-9000064-NA-_-23-816-024-_-Product

    2014 issues - http://forum.corsair.com/v2/showthread.php?t=132911&page=5

    2016 issues - http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=159227&page=3

    Yep, it probably would be a great switch as Cherry does make great switches, but we go back to cost and production, Cherry MX doesn't make exclusive switches for anyone, they sometimes do timed releases like the MX Speed for a certain time period, but then anyone is free to purchase the switch after the patent expires. It seems to me like Razer wants to keep their switch specifications to themselves so asking Cherry to make a switch for them and keep it as Razer's design would probably cost a fortune, while possibly not being able to keep up with the demand. Although, Razer would be better off with going with Gateron to be honest, most enthusiasts who have tried Gateron like it more than Cherry and it's gained a reputation in the community as one of the great ones, and would probably ease some consumers minds if they were backed up by a company that's gaining high praise of their switches. Still it's all personal choice.

    I have quite a few mechanical keyboards, and I personally find the current Razer switches as good as their Cherry counterparts, the Razer Green switches in my BW: X Chroma and TE Chroma are actually a lot better than the ones in my Corsair LUX RGB MX Blues, but the MX Blues in my brother's Razer Blackwidow X Ultimate are perfect in terms of feel and sound.

    Sometimes you have to take a chance and decide if a certain product is for you or not. I get the durability concerns and that Cherry MX is a "proven" switch that lasts for a long time but even Cherry is prone to issues. Only time will tell if Razer's switches can hold true to their 80M lifespan. Now should both my keyboards come up with a barrage of switch failures in a certain time period, then yes, I'd definitely look elsewhere when buying a new keyboard. Until then, all I can do is give Razer the benefit of the doubt and hope it lasts.
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2017
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  18. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure how the conversation veered in this direction lol but why do you guys want Cherry MX RGB so bad? From the keyboards I've seen with MX RGB, they are a bit less vibrant than mounting the plastic lens style LED on top of the switch like Razer does. I think this is due to the LEDs being surface mounted directly onto the PCB so it has to shine through an extra layer (the switch casing) before it reaches the keycap. Of course this has it's advantages, such as separating the LED from the switch, making it easier to mod. But I don't think it's a huge deal. I don't see it as a deal breaker because I love Razer's backlighting. It's one of the reasons I chose the BlackWidow. If the Cherry MX brand means that much to you, there are tons of other keyboard choices out there.

    Like Skrunch suggested though, maybe what you guys are looking for are Gateron blue in clear casing? Yes of course, they are made in China. But they have a higher actuation point like Razer switches and many see them as equal, or even better, than Cherry MX. They come with clear housing "RGB" style too although I don't think there's an official name for them. I have a keyboard with these switches and it's nice:

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  19. TexasGamer1337

    TexasGamer1337 Well-Known Member

    Because Razer + Cherry would be a Beast Keyboard. Also Cherry can use Razer design of the RGB. Gateron blue would be the closet to a Cherry Switch.
     
  20. HattyDamp_no_id

    HattyDamp_no_id New Member

    Hi...i am a new user here. In my case buckling spring keyboard I had around the late 90s and just now I've recovered from the partial hearing loss from that thing rupturing ear drums and causing avalanches. I've only had membranes since, that board left a bad taste regarding mechanicals.
     
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