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Review of Paid to Play

Discussion in 'Razer Gold & Silver' started by mltan, Jan 22, 2018.

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  1. kajira

    kajira Mother of Gaming

    So far from the experiences I've had here with Insider and talking to some of the Razer staff I don't think the program would be suspended or closed entirely if people complaining was the biggest problem. We've seen so many complaints here since the beginning to cover virtually all topics, but most especially regarding how rewards were being earned. Though all of that we've watched Razer make changes to each of the programs, scrap the first program entirely and implement the zVault with zSilver and zGold, but there have always been people complaining and whining about something the whole way through. So, unless Min really has just grown sick and tired of complaining, I think the threats are playing a sufficient role in his decisions.

    As for the idea that closing the P2P portion of the program entirely would only generate more complaints or threads, I suppose it's at least possible. However, generally speaking, once something is removed from the equation it tends to be forgotten rather quickly.

    No matter what happens or how this all plays out there will be unhappy people. We will hear complaints and someone will be angry and or frustrated. It's absolutely impossible to keep everyone happy. So, the best that we can hope for is that more people will be happy than not and that people will either brainstorm better ideas or just accept that it's not our place to try and "fix" it or change it. Be thankful that there is a program to be unhappy with in the first place. lol
  2. noctisD

    noctisD New Member

    First off, I've read all of it. What you quoted is my second post to this thread. My first post mentioned that I'm not defending anyone who dares to declare a death threat. There's really nothing more to say about it. I've made it clear that I'm against it and different people handle it in different ways.

    Second, the paragraph that you quoted is in case the complaints are the cause. That paragraph also focuses on the CEO's childish and unprofessional answer. If you've read the rest of my post, then you should be able to understand that I think there's some other reason and all of this suspension plan has been in motion for a few months. I'm not saying I'm certain or absolutely right. This is just my speculation. Either way, even if I'm wrong, that just speaks poorly about the management of this program for the last couple of months.

    Lastly, the price raise made it all not worth my time. I can be pissed about that and express it all I want. It all depends on Razer to take it simply as a useless complaint or a piece of constructive critisism. This goes especially to those who keep on saying "it's free" - it's not free. You just have no idea what you're paying for it. And don't ask me, you can think about it yourselves. As for the fact whether it's profitable to Razer or not, that's a completely different discussion.
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  3. mopfloor

    mopfloor New Member

    Are my Zsilver earned from p2p going to be deleted? if so i'm going to redeem something nice and if not i'll save up for my dream keyboard. anyways thanks for the p2p!
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  4. hash_ninja

    hash_ninja New Member

    If you're the kind of person who makes death threats over the practices of acquiring FREE computer peripherals for playing video games you already own, then you need to re-evaluate your life. For everyone else, this program is amazing. I like the idea of the program being locked to people with Razer products tied to their account. I was over halfway to having enough zSilver for the Tiamat V2 7.1... but I would gladly spend what I got to register a product as I have used many of them in the past and can vouch for their quality. Please don't scrap this project because of a couple bad apples in the community, the people really do love this P2P system and the company that let's us use it.
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2018
  5. smartspaceship

    smartspaceship New Member

    Honestly, I was initially pretty disappointed with the price hike, as that meant pushing back another ~2 months of collecting zsilver for the redemption of the Lancehead TE.

    But when I came across the news that the programme is being suspended come March, I came to empathize what the company is going through and completely understand why they did so.

    Technically, we are not obligated to receive anything for free from Razer, it's "paid" to play, yes, but getting 'paid' does not mean that we are providing a service or benefit to Razer. Instead of realizing this, there are just too many people who relate being 'paid' to 'working' and ultimately became deluded with the whole programme being their side job to earn Razer peripherals, akin to mining for crypto, to resell the peripherals. Now, just imagine their anger when their crytocurrency(Zsilver) began to depreciate with the price hike ~40% . .

    It's simply a joke and a waste that these people brought so much negativity to the whole P2P programme.

    Even after all this time, I still can't figure out how P2P add to the interest of the company (aside from giving back to the community and perhaps gaining more traction with fans). But it probably is frustrating that the staff still have to deal with threats from these self-entitled miners and 'workers', who are probably looking to resell the peripherals and inevitably hurt Razer sales anyway.

    Even though I have never bought anything from Razer yet, you guys are becoming my preferred choice for gaming peripherals and I will be looking forward to purchasing my first Razer Basilisk mouse soon! (After redeeming the firefly cloth, Thanks Razer!)

    Sorry for the long post but I just wanted to share my thoughts and convey my thanks(& gratitude?) to the company for being generous and allowing me to redeem my first peripheral on 28th Feb.

    Well that being said, Razer did not forcibly make you enter the programme and I believe that it's in the terms and conditions for them to adjust the prices of rewards to meet the demand.

    and I guess if it's not worth your time then you could just 'cash out' and redeem whatever balance you have from the programme then..

    but hey, you can take this as a useless advice or as a piece of constructive criticism for what you said.

    Good day.
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  6. noctisD

    noctisD New Member

    I've already decided what I'm going to do but thanks for your concern anyway. Do I still have permission to leave my opinion on the matter or do I have to delete my comments just to please you?
  7. FrozenFireVR

    FrozenFireVR Well-Known Member

    NO! You just can't earn anymore... o_O
  8. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Who are you a CEO? Even a CEO have to work to get his money. As its name, P2P, you play certain game and you earned zSilver that could be exchanged with Rewards that available on your country (even there’s some users who redeemed from different store successfully), yes it’s not free, but from your hobby you get it, how wonderful program it is. So for me it is totally free, shipping fee? From where I live it’s only €10, for €60 or €90 items it’s hell nothing. You don’t like it just don’t do that, if you’re thinking that gaming is wasting your time, easy. My other hobby is jogging, I would be very happy if I can earn zSilver every Meter I run;)
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  9. ARMOR_152

    ARMOR_152 Well-Known Member

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  10. noctisD

    noctisD New Member

    What does working have to do with the way he answered the community? And I was not implying shipping fees at all. I like the program too. What I don't like is how the CEO handled the program and the community in this past month.
  11. Shadow00R

    Shadow00R New Member

    Gamers in general have low EQ. They rage when they get owned. When they own other players, they start rubbing salt on them. Which includes racists calling. Don't believe me? Hah.

    Wait, is that why Razer started Paid to Play? To distribute Razer gear through grinding and provide a level playing field for all gamers? OMG Tan Min-Liang you're a genius!
  12. NotThisAgain

    NotThisAgain Active Member

    WOW !! 17 pages of crying, sulking, petty childishness and entitlement buy many people. Over what?? a program to get FREE stuff.

    All the places that you go spend your money, do they notify you when they change things like prices or product line?? NO

    Did Razer have to give out FREE things?? ...... NO

    Should Razer pay shipping cost for you to get a FREE product?? ...... NO

    Are you entitled to FREE Razer gear?? .........HELL NO

    Is anyone forcing you to be HERE?? .........NO

    Would I blame MIN if he told all the asshats here to line up and KISS his ARSE and go get STUFFED?? .............NO not at all, actually I don't know how he hasn't already.

    My suggestion is that if you don't like the program (that cost you nothing at all) you by no means have to be here, you are not losing anything just bugger off and let the ones that are happy with it be. Do us and Razer a solid and go waste your useless energy somewhere else.
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  13. Eden_1337

    Eden_1337 New Member

    What I've learned is that even if you register your company in a tax haven, giving away free product is not commercially viable in the long term. Still, I think P2P is great and hopefully Razer figure out a way to continue rewarding fans.
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  14. gottagetbret

    gottagetbret New Member

    Is the suspension of the program confirmed? :frown_:
  15. NotThisAgain

    NotThisAgain Active Member

    March 1st
  16. gottagetbret

    gottagetbret New Member

    Is it permanent or temporary?
  17. JungleBeast99

    JungleBeast99 Member

    Sorry if Im too brutal. I wrote what i think for the death threats earlier. I totally dont accept it. As everyone is talking, kicking those people from the razer community isn't enough, there's internet police and I dont know what's the problem in front of Mr.Tan to contact them if he didnt already. It's 21st century and killing threat even in the web is punishable in court.

    But the real reason Im writing this post is one question. On this path of logic if really Mr.Tan is closing the program generally due to the threats, would he also close the brand Razer if he receive threat for it. Since there are already lot of complains for Razer and receiving a killing threats means he will close the brand? Hardly... Im not trying to UNDERESTIMATE the killing threat!!! Im trying to tell you if thats the real reason (which i doubt) to close the program, thats not the way how you have to deal with it. As I said these people can be put in the jail for that, so closing the program is just running away from the problems, unless the whole thing is just a thoughtless excuse to close the program because of some another reasons.I'm sorry but this is how it looks like. Sorry if Im wrong, wish you all the best.
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  18. Aquari

    Aquari New Member

    So what I'm getting from what you're saying is "If he's going to shut down the P2P program because of the death threats, why doesn't he shut down the Razer brand for the same reason". That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    The P2P program is a program that they make no money off of, and do it simply for people to be able to earn free stuff, whether it be because they aren't in a financial situation to be able to buy their products, or just wanting to get some free stuff. The Razer brand is a company that sells a variety of products and makes quite a bit of profit off of it. You wouldn't shut down the production and selling of keyboards, headsets, mouses, so on and so forth just because someone on the internet wrote a death threat. You WOULD, however, want to shut down a program that makes the company no profit and gives people free stuff (aside from shipping, but people who complain about that are just stupid), and still receive quite a large deal of negativity, and as stated before, death threats.

    I understand some of the negativity towards the service, but when you threaten people, even over the internet, it crosses a line.
  19. JungleBeast99

    JungleBeast99 Member

    I suggest to reread my post. Not going to argue untill you get it. It's clear enough what I'm saying and what I mean, but maybe some people still need a second read. How much clearer I have to explain "thats not the way how you have to deal with it." ? And then someone comes here claiming that I mean this -
    !?!?!? Maybe my english is very tragic to get it in this way?
  20. smartspaceship

    smartspaceship New Member

    Well, I would put it that the programme was perhaps not in the best interest of the company.

    and I'm sure if you are stakeholder in a publicly listed company you probably wouldn't be too happy with a programme that gives away your flagship products to non-deserving people for free as well.
    Coupled with threats from self-entitled people, it just doesn't make sense to keep it going any longer.

    Razer never did brand themselves as a charity organisation for gamers anyway.
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