[SUGGESTION] AMD/Ryzen Powered Laptop

Discussion in 'Systems' started by Hawkeye85, Aug 20, 2017.

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What do you think?

  1. Good idea!

    16 vote(s)
    47.1%
  2. Not a good idea.

    8 vote(s)
    23.5%
  3. Maybe something for the future.

    6 vote(s)
    17.6%
  4. Indifferent.

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  1. Hawkeye85

    Hawkeye85 Member

    Hello! As the title says, I suggest an AMD/Ryzen Powered Laptop! I suggest this because the Ryzen CPUs have been doing very well if you supply enough RAM and high enough RAM Speeds.

    Storage: I was thinking something along the lines of a 1TB SSD like in the Blades.

    RAM: 2 or 3 different models, one duel channel 16GB DDR4 3000(Ryzen is much stronger with faster ram speeds, up to 3200 if I remember correctly), another duel channel 16GB DDR4 3200 or more, and one 32GB duel channel DDR4 3000/3200, providing plenty of memory speed to keep the Ryzen CPU running great, and to prevent bottlenecking any of the other components.

    Graphics Card: I was thinking something like a RX 480 for 1080p, perhaps a 580 for 1440, and a Fury X for 4k, although for a laptop screen I am not sure that a Fury X would be necessary for 4k.

    CPU:AMD Ryzen. Perhaps a R5 1600x for a more 'budget' option, providing a 6-core processor to handle games such as Overwatch which use up to 6 cores at maximum efficiency. For more powerful, more expensive versions, perhaps go for an 8-core Ryzen processor.

    Screen: I was thinking 3 different options. 1.) 1080p. 2.) 1440. 3.) 4k.

    As to the rest, I am not sure, as I do not know much about building laptops. I hope you guys will consider this idea for an AMD powered laptop!
     
  2. BlutigEisbar

    BlutigEisbar Active Member

    Are you talking about a Razer blade powered by Ryzen? The TDP of the chips is so high for gaming power I wouldn't want a laptop with that chip inside. They are like twice the heat and the Razer Blade is already very hot. Plus I am pretty sure Intel already has a dedicated partnership with Razer which means they would have to cancel their partnership to build a unit with Ryzen which means there is even less margin in the device. Doesn't make business sense for hardware that hasn't proven itself yet on the market fully.
     
  3. Hawkeye85

    Hawkeye85 Member

    Yes that was the idea. Razer blade powered by Ryzen. I did not think about the partnership between Razer and intel... probably destroys the idea without the help of the temperature problem you mentioned. Thanks for the input!
     
  4. AssembIer

    AssembIer Active Member

    You probably mean Raven Ridge APUs which will be Ryzen for the notebook market. There is no information about TDP yet, so they could be the more efficient choice over Intel CPUs.

    A deal with Intel that would not allow Razer to offer AMD CPUs, would not be legal. In fact, Intel did that years ago and they had to pay billions as penalty.

    But there is another reason why Razer might stick with Intel for now, as it is still unknown if Thunderbolt can be added as extra chip for Ryzen based boards. I can imagine that Intel is trying to prevent that at all costs.
     
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  5. hasimo14

    hasimo14 Well-Known Member

    AMD on a high performance gaming laptop.... it's like playing games on top of ticking boms waiting to explode.... not a good idea....
     
  6. AssembIer

    AssembIer Active Member

    Why would that be, if I may ask ?
     
  7. Hucast

    Hucast Well-Known Member

    Agree, but I want 32 instead of 16. My 1st crapoalienware come with 32 and I definitely miss that.

    Agree, Whatever is the best one at the time, that's the main thing.

    Agree, See previous replay.

    Agree, 4k all the way for me!

    Agree, It should be the flap ship of the product line!
     
  8. hasimo14

    hasimo14 Well-Known Member

    all i know from amd is that they performing much higher then intel witch means more heat, way more then intel.... that's why most people prefer intel then amd... now you use an amd which is hotter then intel on a razer blade which is have lot of complaint about heat problem... so heat x heat, use your imagination....
     
  9. Bangerzzz

    Bangerzzz Active Member

    Dafaq are you smoking. You seriously cry about TDP. If you would just Google you would see those numbers.

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    Intel has the same (7700 % 1700) and just a little bit better (1800X & 1700X) while having twice the amount of cores. True, that currently, FPS is worse in games with Ryzen than Intel, because devs didn't have reason to optimise games for more than 4 cores, but that is going to change soon™

    And if we take a look at i5 lineup, they have 65W of TDP, which is the same as Ryzen, so that makes you argument invalid.

    Intel is anti consumer and anti technology and they have broken the law multiple times and bribed companies so that they could have a monopoly. Just take a look at this video. AdoredTV made an awesome video show what a monster Intel really is. Tbh it would make Razer look better if they made a laptop with Ryzen or at least offer both manufacturers.



    If you mean the Bulldozer architecture, you are right. the FX processors weren't really good and they overheated like crazy.

    BUT, Hol up...

    (I know, off topic, we are talking about CPUs for laptops, but I think it is worth mentioning)

    The i9 overheats like crazy and that is with a watercooling solution and it has to throttle.

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    While costing an eye and a liver to buy. AMD Threadripper is much better choice than i9.

    "AMD on a high performance gaming laptop.... it's like playing games on top of ticking boms waiting to explode"

    I would just like to ask about sources for this statement that you said. And upon some research, the only AMD laptops I could find are ones, that either have APUs or CPUs for FX line, which we know how awful they are and I don't know why are you comparing them to Ryzen, which is completely different architecture and if it was implemented in the laptop now, it would need to have a dedicated CPU and a GPU.

    Oh, I see, that you have no clue what you are talking about and that you are so full of yourself, that you won't even google to see if you are right or wrong. Welp, that is why Im here to debunk another argument.

    You stated that if performance = temperature. Welp, that is so wrong on so many levels.
    Lemme just paste some pictures of power consumtion between Intel and AMD.

    In Idle state, as you see, Intel wins for about 1W. I imagine you are like " WOOOOOOOOOO, SEE, SEE I WAS RIGHT, MOM, MOM, I WAS RIGHT SEEE!!!!111!!"

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    But we all know that normally the laptop is either turned off or in a sleep mode, rarely left unatented for more than 15 minutes, hence there are defaulst settings which throw you laptop to sleep to conserve power, so laptop is rarely left in an idle state for longer periods of time.

    And now we come to the best part.

    As you see when modelling, you would use from 7-3W less power than with Intel counterpart. (Tbh, I feel bad for your fanboying)
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    Even more interesting is the gaming part :). AMD has a lead from 20-8W in power consumption, which in theory, should lead to lower temperatures, which makes Ryzen a winner and Intel the loser.
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    So here we are, with the actual temperatures meh dude.


    We can see, that AMD has about 4-1 degrees of lead ( ayy lmao @ when FX runs for 2 degrees cooler than Intel xDDDDDDDDD) which makes you look like you have no clue what you are talking about and even more uneducated while being a shill for an anti-technology and consumer company.
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    @hasimo14Welp, that is about it. Can't be F**** to throw some software and gaming benchmarks at you, because they are currentlly irrelevant.

    Can't wait for your shilly reply.

    Kind Regards
     
  10. Bangerzzz

    Bangerzzz Active Member

    >tfw I can't edit my post :slightly_sad:
     
  11. Dommorak

    Dommorak New Member

    I would be worried about the ipc of the ryzen chip at lower clock speeds. We haven't seen any Ryzen mobile CPU's yet, generally laptop CPU's run at 2.2 -> 2.8 ghz core clock speed and speed up 1 core to 3.2->3.8 depending on processor. For this workload the IPC of the intel chip might lead to slightly better gaming. However scaling down the Ryzen multicores would be amazing for multimedia / productivity and decent for gaming anyways.

    Overall, we need to wait for Ryzen mobile chips to be released and compare them then. Comparing kaby lake to FX chips is just completely false though and not an indication of what ryzen could be for mobile.
     
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  12. AssembIer

    AssembIer Active Member

    I couldn't sum it up better, thanks @Bangerzzz
     
  13. Bangerzzz

    Bangerzzz Active Member

    It could be possible, that AMD will make customised Ryzen with even lower TDP for laptops in the near future. I heard, that they have plans for that in 2018 or a little sooner, but don't quote me on that one.

    Thank you very much. I'm really sad when I see people shill for Intel, while I know what they really do and what are their tactics. Let's not mention "glued" Threadripper.

    I might create a stand-alone thread about this topic, so I could shine a light on all anti-consumer and technology gimmicks Intel has been doing throughout the years
     
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  14. AssembIer

    AssembIer Active Member

    True, we will have to wait and see how well they perform against Intel's 8th gen CPUs. The only known Ryzen mobile chips are quad core CPUs with Vega iGPU. Those will likely compete with the new I7-8xxxU series, but those chips have rather low base clocks because of the 15W TDP.

    This time Intel did not mention any turbo clocks on 2 / 4 core load, they just say "up to 4.0 GHz" and there is a good reason for that. The CPU can be configured to a 25W TDP at max. which means that those max. turbo clocks will only be reached on single core load. Conf. at 15W and on 4 core (constant) load they might just scratch the 3 GHz mark. I wonder if Ryzen can do a better job there.
     
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  15. Bangerzzz

    Bangerzzz Active Member

    Umm, can you source me the mobile CPUs and iVega please? I didn't find any info regarding that.

    And yes, can't wait to see them compete. We are the winners in the end :)
     
  16. Dommorak

    Dommorak New Member

  17. ngendo20

    ngendo20 New Member

  18. Bangerzzz

    Bangerzzz Active Member

    Intel Shills and Fanboys BTFO-d :)
     
  19. Jenjar

    Jenjar Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    I would really like it since It would also likely be more affordable, But like people above mentioned the whole Intel Razer partnership that they are very deep into might have a bit of an issue with then going to AMD for a laptop too. It would also likely need to be powered by AMD Graphics, Because I have heard somewhere that AMD wants laptops with AMD Processers to also have AMD Graphics cards, But I am not sure if they would be able to use NVIDIA Graphics instead.
     
  20. ngendo20

    ngendo20 New Member

    That's why the Ryzen Mobile 2700U would be perfect for the stealth. The stealth doesn't have a dedicated graphic card and Vega integrated in the Ryzen mobile chips runs like a 970m and would be a big boost in graphic power compared to HD 620 or 630 on the intel chips. Could bring the cost of the Stealth down a few Hundred dollars while increasing is graphical performance by a lot. Just wouldn't be able to support 4k.
     
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