The Counterfeit Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Raijin, May 11, 2016.

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  1. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Hey guys! I thought it would be helpful to have a thread for posting photos & information about fake and counterfeit Razer products. By informing Insiders about existing counterfeits, I hope to increase awareness and equip people with the knowledge to be safer while shopping.

    The only way to know for sure that you're getting a genuine Razer product is to purchase directly from Razer or an Authorized Reseller. The reseller list is always being updated so please contact Razer Support if you have any questions about whether a dealer is legit or not. In addition, you can visit the Product Registration page and enter your product's Serial Number or Unique ID to check if it's real.

    I just want to point out that this thread isn't for Razer 'inspired' products. For that, go here.

    List of Razer Products with Known Counterfeit Imitations
    • DeathAdder 3.5G 3500DPI (Blue LED)
    • Goliathus - All Recent Sizes and Artwork
    • Minecon 2011 Goliathus
    • Razer Hammerhead Pro
    • Adaro In-Ear
    • Abyssus
    Counterfeit ('Replica') Razer General Information
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    [This ebay listing's description states 'OEM Replica']

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    [Notice how the prices for these counterfeit listings are ridiculously low, around 70% off MSRP]


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    [This $14.98 (shipped) Abyssus would cost you $49.99 from the online Razer Store]

    Razer Hammerhead Pro

    Evidence:

    • Came in a generic packaging - a brown paper bag.
    • Product Registration page tells me that the Serial Number 'has already been registered' even though I was certain it was the first time.
    • Poor attention to details and finish. The rubber zipper pull for the earbud case is marred black.
    • The stitching on the inside of the carrying case is poorly done thus the nylon fabric is loose in certain spots.
    • Did not come with the usual sticker tag attached to the earphone wires themselves.
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    [Counterfeit Razer Hammerhead Pro]

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    [Closeup on marred zipper and poor finish]

    Razer Goliathus Speed Edition

    Evidence:

    • Came in generic packaging - transparent plastic bag.
    • Size dimensions of fake mousepads are incorrect. Razer doesn't offer the Goliathus in these irregular sizes. Here are the 4 true Goliathus sizes W x L:
      • Small 215mm x 270mm / 8.46" x 10.73"
      • Medium 254mm x 355mm / 10" x 13.98"
      • Large 355mm x 444mm / 13.98" x 17.48"
      • Extended 294mm x 920mm / 11.57" x 36.22"
    • Thinner than genuine Goliathus. Thickness of all Goliathus Mats is 3mm / 0.12"
    • Stitching does not match that of the genuine mat.
    • Pay attention to the color and shade of black that is used. A lighter faded shade of black or a bluish-black may indicate a counterfeit mat.
    • Sometimes the graphics will be incorrect - incorrect sizing of graphic, text too big, etc.
    • White color...?
    Photos:
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    [Left to Right: Authentic Razer Goliathus, fake white Goliathus, fake green Goliathus]

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    [Notice the faded colors and differences in stitching. Authentic in lower right]

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    [2011 Minecon Goliathus. Fake on the right simply has artwork printed onto a white mousepad. Contribution by thescondo]


    That's it for now. This thread is only as useful as you guys make it. The more posts you add, the more informative the thread gets. Thanks in advance!
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2016
  2. Lafar

    Lafar Well-Known Member

    I remember reading that many complaints about Razer products are due to the buyer accidentally buying from an unauthorized retailer.

    Here's a helpful link for those that stumble upon a violation.

    (As a helpful hint, if you have a lot of pictures in a row, it's generally nicer to put them in a spoiler. Provides for better scrolling IMO:))
     
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  3. ImGummeh

    ImGummeh Active Member

    First thing i think of when i see "Counterfeit Razer products" i instantly think of that time when Min-Liang Tan posted on instagram about the fake Razer fishing rod xD

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  4. 0V3R_K1LL

    0V3R_K1LL Well-Known Member

    I have used both the fake and real goliathus speed variants. Honestly apart from the sides being slightly different and the originals being less coarse I didnt notice a difference. Guess they know how to make counterfeits. Havent come across counterfeit mice though, would want to try those.
     
  5. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    LOL I remember this. But ... I don't know if this is actually counterfeiting because there's nothing for them to counterfeit since Razer doesn't make fishing rods. That's crazy though. When other companies completely unrelated to gaming start using your brand name and logo...that's when you know you're doing it right.
     
  6. MochaRaf

    MochaRaf Active Member

    So what you guys mean to tell me is that the fishing rod I've been using all this time is a big phoney? What are you guys going to tell me next? That my Chroma water and Razer car are also not genuine?

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    On a serious note, great idea making a thread that compiles all this information. I know not everyone lives in a region supported by the Razer store or an authorized reseller, so this will provide crucial information to help avoid people being taken advantage of.
     
  7. ImGummeh

    ImGummeh Active Member

    Damn right! :D


    Slightly un-related to OP topic....but i wonder what Chroma water would taste like..... :eek:
     
  8. MarcusChai

    MarcusChai Active Member

    I bought fake hammerhead pro and seller refuse to refund after a few complaint and drag for a few weeks only he refund
     
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  9. im3dmundlee

    im3dmundlee Active Member

    thanks alot, now heres a source to double check the product
     
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  10. MarcusChai

    MarcusChai Active Member

    have a check the razer logo on the packing, fake one will come with double printed logo
     
  11. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Ah, no wonder why I have trouble connecting my
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    to Synapse 2.0!

    Thanks, I really hope people find this thread useful and add their own experiences with Razer knockoffs.

    There also seems to be fake Deathadders floating around. Check out the bumpy orange peel finish on this counterfeit blue DeathAdder 3500dpi:

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    [Real on right]

    This isn't my work, but borrowed from user Ino.'s thread over at overclock.net. The thread is a few years old but there are still new posts being added so I assume the counterfeits are still floating around online shops. Seems like this only applies to the blue DeathAdder for now.

    You can visit Ino.'s thread to find more information.
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2016
  12. I have been baffled for years how people fall for these fakes especially when official resellers are easy to find from the manufacturers site. A lot of this is to do with price as most manufacturers make massive markups on products and people are simply not willing top pay these prices.

    So in effect this is most of the time caused by the charging way too much based on RRP or MSRP. Common sense is if prices are too high people will purchase inferior products any way they can and the Internet has made this very very easy indeed.

    I would enforce pricing restrictions where prices are set based on the product value, not the most profit. A gaming mouse should not cost more than say AU$ 50 as the component costs are always dropping, not increasing (people seem to forget this). Yet we are asked to pay more. I would pay more if the product was Made in Germany or Made in Japan or any European countries, and had more metal and less plastic. High end products should have very little plastic and use metal exteriors - aluminium / stainless steel / chrome etc.

    Obviously since this is not the case this is purely for profit. It's not expensive to buy off the shelf components from China and re-brand them with Razer and ask for more money. Yet people are still of the belief that the Brand is the actual manufacturer instead of an ODM like Flextronics / Quanta etc. I would demand that Razer manufactures these products themselves.

    The counterfeit system is based on people desire to have the latest and greatest but without a huge price tag. And in-turn this demand for "copies" is pushed by the prices of these products in reseller channels and online - which is open slather. We are dealing the effects not the cause
     
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  13. MochaRaf

    MochaRaf Active Member

    Though this may very well be the case in regions that Razer has a great distribution net (i.e. A Razer store and/or authorized sellers), we can't exclude people who live in places where those may not exist and buying from a third party seller is the only option. Many people end up paying premium prices for these counterfeit products, so between the high prices and sometimes very realistic packaging it's very hard for someone to tell whether or not a product is authentic or fake until it is too late.
     
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  14. Three years ago, I was walking out of a Wal-Mart on a muggy, possibly smoggy summer afternoon in Beijing, I stumbled across a "stand" where there were some "fake products" (假货) as my mother would call it. I was looking at the fake beats the vendors had, then I stumbled upon what looked like a Razer-ish product. The mouse had a Razer logo on it, and it didn't look like a Deathadder or anything I've seen before. It was some odd looking ergonomic mouse inside an ORANGE and black box. Needless to say, it was fake. I bought a pair of fake Beats just as a "souvenir" of that place.
     
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  15. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Well, I see where you're coming from, but I have to disagree with some of your points. I see things from the 'other' perspective - design, development, and business.

    Usually users aren't well-informed enough to see things from the company's perspective. Consumers always place values on products based on their materials worth - but a product is so much more than that. What about all the R&D? The design? The ergonomics research that went into perfecting the contours of the Deathadder? The hundreds of user testing sessions they ran? The thousands of product prototypes they created and scrapped - never again to see the light of day (CEO said this himself). That stuff costs money...design, prototyping, and testing...I do that for a living and I need to eat. People always forget that source materials are only but a small part of the equation.

    I think it would be cool to have a metal mouse too but there are likely to be a ton of drawbacks - weight, corrosion, electrical conductivity, surface tension. It probably isn't comfortable to hold a piece of metal in your hand for 5, 10, or even 15 hours a day. I like metal and prefer it most of the time, but I think there are certain situations where plastic makes sense. There must be reasons why almost all mice mice are plastic instead of metal right? It's probably better for both the manufacturer and the user.
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2016
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  16. MochaRaf

    MochaRaf Active Member

    I may have a possible solution for you. What if you switched to the food industry and continued the "designing, prototyping, and testing" there? That way instead of discarding the products to can just eat them and it's a win-win for everyone? :joy::joy:

    On a more serious note, I completely agree that people get fixated on the materials involved and tend to forget how many countless hours of R&D went into many of the products that they purchase.
     
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  17. Traverick

    Traverick New Member

    The best way to avoid counterfeits?
    Buy of the razer store xD
     
  18. forevercrl

    forevercrl Active Member

    This threat was useful to avoid fake product.
    One of the way to avoid fake product is only buy Razer product from Razer store or Razer authorized reseller.
     
  19. 0V3R_K1LL

    0V3R_K1LL Well-Known Member

    If its priced too low, it isnt Razer. Simple trick to not get counterfeits. You would never find a deathadder for less than $40 anywhere. Even on amazon its lowest is $39.99 on a massive sale.
     
  20. MochaRaf

    MochaRaf Active Member

    As I mentioned earlier, that is undoubtfully the best way to avoid counterfeit products in a region that has a Razer store or authorized resellers. But what about those people who live in a region where neither of those exists?
     
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