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Discussion in 'Systems' started by technokat, Mar 28, 2017.
That is truly unfortunate.
Those benchmarks are normal for the RBP 1080. It is a 1080 but lowered TDP of a 1070. Only advantage over a 1070 is extra pipe lines and memory, but it is really false advertising.
The performance is bothering especially at that price but for me the customer support and how long will this system actually last is my biggest concern and when it does go down, will I even be able to get it fixed when customer support is dismal?
Its been established that Razer has chosen a low power approach for 1080 in the RBP. Performance is actually right on par for how much power the GPU receives. Check your GPU power draw in a game/benchmark and you'll see it barely reaching 140-150W.
While technically it is a 1080, it performs like a 1070.
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The biggest miracle here is, how these guys manage to stay in business for so long?
At the very least, this is false advertising.
Do I smell class action?
That is the baseline specs for that model. Pretty much every laptop with the 1080 in it has accelerated specs. For example, the Aorus x7 I'm testing has the same specs as that Asus: 1582Mhz clock with 1771Mhz boost. For that, I get a FS graphics score of 21450. And that's out of the box with no repasting or anything.
I got a similar score with the AW 17r4 as it had the same speeds baked into its firmware. But there were some cooling issues I experienced with that model and I had to revert to lower power consumption and lower clocks (1537Mhz/1734Mhz) in order for it to run properly. Likely, the RBP experiences similar issues and they turned down the power draw to conpensate.
I know this benchmarks are normal for the RBP, BUT when you advertise a GTX 1080 performance and the customers pay for GTX 1080 performance, you can expect the system to be as close as 5% to the baseline benchmark.
But Razer does not even reply to this.. more they close threads where this things are the main topic.
I think, we could at least expect any comment of a Razer official to this!!
Unfortunately not. Define "desktop class". Technically the marketing is true and they did put one in the laptop. Slightly under powering it is likely fair game.
The question is whether or not they could have squeezed equal or greater performance out of an overclocked 1070. If not, they still put the most powerful card available in this chassis.
Not playing devils advocate, but I just don't see anything illegal or misleading. I believe the hardware builders have a certain amount of leeway to chose their own TDP.
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More likely we all get banned!
I see your point.
Maybe for now the best that can be done is optimize the disk performance with DiskZIP, and hope that closes the performance gap a little more.
It is not about starting any class action.. It is about finding a solution and hearing Razer's comments on this.
I cannot believe, there is no way to reach the normal 1080 performance without overheating the system..
So please Razer.. Your turn! (Although I know I will never get an answer on this anyway..)
Basically the only positives for this unit in my opinion is looks, the RBP is beautiful! the screen is amazing (even without gsync working proper) the sound is up there with the best and when you pick up this laptop, the touch and feel and balanced weight, make you feel like excited!
But with that said and you are willing to spend that amount of money for a machine that has performance of a machine more than half its cost? I would only buy from a reseller that offers 2+ years of accidental and extended warranty. Best Buy, Amazon, NewEgg.
It's not just overheating, it's also the 250w adapter they included that limits things. Even Aorus is updating to 270w in their v7 and Alienware is 330w. If they increased the GPU power as it is, your battery would drain while you played demanding games.
Back to overheating though, I really don't find it hard to believe that their system could overheat if overclocked at full power. Heck, the CPU can't be overclocked at all without thermal throttling. This isn't exactly the best cooling system out there.
So, if you are right, theoratically we can undervolt the CPU and make room for higher voltage of the GPU and increase the performance?
Best firestrike score I could get, was a little over 17k. Thats 4.3 undervolted -.50 and GPU OC to +200core +300mem.
Also unit was on an Aluminum nzxt cooler. Temps still hit 85GPU 96CPU, I hate laptop coolers they completely take away the entire reason for buying a thin laptop.
So for the person that said, remove synapse and you see proper benchmarking scores, wake up please.
These days most all systems need a proper Undervolt, its safe and always better to have lower temps, you just have to play with it and fine tune it like a race car.
I undervolt every system I have. The RBP even ships with intel XTU preinstalled, so they already know people must Undervolt these systems.
So undervolting and decreasing the performance even more??
Undervolting doesn't decrease performance. It's merely tuning the CPU to operate at the lowest voltage possible without losing performance. Of course if you undervolt, you probably won't be able to OC the CPU without making things unstable. My opinion is the CPU on this machine should not be overclocked though.
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undervolt will not decrease performance that would be underclock.
If anything it will increase as it helps keep the cpu from Thermal Throttle.
Ok. And how do you undervolt properly? And why is the CPU not on the ideal voltage from OEM?
Agree! The system will just throttle down and be even lower than stock clocks. I also would not even play with the power adjustment in Synapse, its broken and honestly a terrible program. Leave the performance option alone, Undervolt stock -100 to -120 depending on your cpu should be stable. For me I have had 4 systems, one would hit -125 stable but the gpu was ridiculous and average 94-99 the system I have now stable is -100.
You can use either Throttlestop or Intel XTU. Either work fine, but Intel's is probably more user friendly for a beginner There are a lot of guides online on how to do it properly. I'd say you could probably just do a -90 or -100mV offset and call it a day, if you don't want to waste too much time. It'll give you a few degrees cooler temps.
Intel picks a voltage that is safe for all their CPUs. Remember, they manufacture these things in quantities of tens of thousands and each one is a little different. So the voltage required for it to operate is slightly different for each one. It's way cheaper for Intel to err a little high and know that all CPUs will perform properly, rather than spend multiple hours testing and tuning each CPU one by one. If they did that, they would risk complaints from BSOD errors, etc. if their testing was a little off. They don't want to deal with that, nor should they.
Thank you for the reply! But I assume, you cannot do this with your GPU aswell, right?
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