The Razer Blade Stealth & Razer Core

Discussion in 'Systems' started by technokat, Jan 5, 2016.

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  1. KakashiSharingan

    KakashiSharingan Active Member

    I don't know what games you play, but the games I play use 4+ cores most of the time... Single core performance is very important, but having more than two cores is also very important.
     
  2. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    You are aware that the Blade 14 2015 uses a i7–4720HQ?
    I think we are slightly confused here, I was comparing the Blade Stealth to the current model Blade 14", which we can agree at the moment is a solid gaming computer.

    OF COURSE, when the Blade 14" is updated to Skylake and the 6700HQ it will utterly destroy the Stealth. I wouldn't imagine it any other way, especially at 50% or less of the price!
     
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  3. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    Single core performance is still king for gaming. We need to have a long chat, I think, as we share a passion for gaming and I think we agree on a lot of things but are approaching it from different angles.

    In the future, multi-core will become more and more optimized, but right now single-core or single-thread games are much more common (DX12 will hopefully change that!)
     
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  4. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    It's an external GPU graphics amplifier...you put in a desktop GPU of your choice.


    I'm not trying to start an argument, but here: http://laptopmedia.com/top-laptop-graphics-ranking/

    A GTX 960M ranks 9 on this list while the Intel HD Graphics 520 ranks 98. So yeah... "not quite." Yeah you can say the rift is shrinking, and it is, but for now, dedicated graphics are a staple in my book.
     
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  5. technokat

    technokat Director, Social Marketing Staff Member

    The Razer Core does not come with a GPU - you can attach any to it and it fits up to a full length double-wide PCIe graphics card of your choice. And with compatible cards, they are plug and play, i.e. no restart.
     
  6. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    Whatever graphics card you provide. GTX 970, a Titan... whatever!
     
  7. KakashiSharingan

    KakashiSharingan Active Member

    The current model core i7 4720HQ is faster than the i7 6500U... Just look up some cinebench scores or other CPU benchmarks and you'll see what I mean. I'm just baffled what kind of person would rather get a laptop without a quad core and dedicated GPU... Unless they aren't planning on gaming on the laptop.
    I already built a gaming desktop I don't want a laptop that can't game on the go, sure as a laptop it is perfect, but it simply lacks a dedicated GPU.
    I'd buy it even if it came with a lower tier GPU like a GTX 950M and it was a $250 add on.
    TL;DR: I need a laptop with a dedicated GPU to actually play games on the go.
     
  8. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    Kakashi, then a Blade 14" is your huckleberry :smile_:

    For me, the Blade Stealth is perfect ALONG WITH something else. I need a laptop for traveling, which I do nearly every week, and the Blade 14" doesn't even fit on some tray tables on airplanes. The Blade Stealth has the specs to do some light gaming, then when I get home I can hook up Core and game away, if that is my desire.

    I just used my Razer Edge Pro today on a flight from Miami to Chicago, played some Total War Attila and had a blast. This Stealth will be a replacement for that.

    Am I expecting it to run Witcher 3 and Fallout 4? I'm not stupid, that probably won't happen. But for nearly everything else released pre-2015, this is a darn good machine.

    Also, it's $1000! That's Macbook Air territory, with Windows and Razer build quality. I think we are being a bit hard on this thing and comparing it to the $2400 Razer Blade
     
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  9. jerryshengo

    jerryshengo New Member

    If you look at the multicore score, the i7 4720HQ demolished the i7 6500U. This is what I am concerned about, the CPU bottleneck (and RAM) with a high-end GPU. If I am buying a $1000+ laptop and a Razer Core ($?), I would want it to last a couple years before feeling the need to upgrade, especially with an external GPU.

    "This is not a powerhouse. It can barely play Rainbow Six: Siege and Star Wars Battlefront on low settings." (without the use of Razer Core)
    -PCPER
    http://www.pcper.com/news/Mobile/CES-2016-Razer-Blade-Stealth-Has-External-GPU-Dock

    Of course, those are a lot more demanding than games like LoL or TF2, but if the laptop itself already struggles with these games, what about in the future? It's only going to get worse due to the aging of the hardware.
     
  10. jerryshengo

    jerryshengo New Member

    ^this, except I would also probably be fine if it at least has a quad core CPU and no internal dGPU. but yeah, I agree with your points about the not so high end hardware
     
  11. KakashiSharingan

    KakashiSharingan Active Member

    I know, I agree. As I've said earlier as a laptop it is perfect especially for that price, but it simply won't play demanding games like GTA 5 without struggling. Sure you can have a blast in simpler games like rocket league but I'm still not satisfied until they release a chroma blade with a dedicated GPU.
     
  12. XtinctionZ

    XtinctionZ Member

    can the core be used with other laptops?
     
  13. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    I'm not surprised a multi-core score would destroy the Stealth in comparison to a Blade 14"...

    2 cores vs 4, the power consumption is 3x as well.

    If you guys are looking for this to play AAA just released titles... we aren't in the same discussion.

    Guys (girls?), this is a 12.5" laptop. Computing has always been a world of compromises, you cannot get the same performance in a laptop as you can in a desktop. Similarly, you cannot get the performance in a 12" laptop as you can in a 17".

    Perhaps all this is a matter of perspective? For the college student, business professional or other similar type who is on a more limited budget or needs an ultraportable, the choice is between this and a 11" Macbook Air. This wins every time, for the gamer!

    I built a $2500 desktop on the NZXT H440 chassis, with a GTX 980, 4790k, etc... do I need this thing for gaming at home? Heck no! But for traveling, there is NOTHING like it, and it can also play a great number of games that are fairly recent.

    TL;DR: It's friggin' tiny. Don't expect a Titan to be shoved in the chassis
     
  14. technokat

    technokat Director, Social Marketing Staff Member

    It is currently certified only for the Razer Blade Stealth - while it is a Thunderbolt 3 - USB-C, we can't guarantee performance on others.
     
  15. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Any word on battery life for both the QHD & UHD models?
     
  16. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    8 Hours "non-gaming". I preordered literally 6 minutes after the announcement and will do a detailed review, but I'm guessing 2-3 hours gaming max.
     
  17. Eddie170913

    Eddie170913 Member

    This would be a perfect machine if it had better integrated graphics :slightly_sad: after all a laptop is for gaming on the go. Nonetheless i love the graphics amplifier as well as the chroma lighting! Hats off to you Razer!! :D
     
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  18. I was about to pre-order when I noticed that Razer FUCKED UP MASSIVELY by going for a dual core i7 instead of a quad core. What a missed opportunity. The CPU bottleneck will be horrendous if the Alienware 13 was any indication. Have they not learned anything? I won't pay +$500 for a desktop GPU only to have it perform like a $100 card. What a shame. This laptop was perfect till I found out about the dual core. Just read notebookcheck's review of the Alienware 13 to see what happens when you pair a dual-core i7 with a DESKTOP external GPU. What a shame.
     
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  19. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    I do have one question that I didn't see addressed:

    The Blade Stealth charges via USB-C, but also connects to Core for gaming on the same port. Can it also charge off of the Core power supply when connected?

    Otherwise gaming sessions will be quite short!
     
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  20. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    TareX, wait for benchmarks. The i5-4210u in the Alienware is nowhere near the level of the i7-6500u in the Stealth.

    It won't be a Blade 14, but I don't believe it will be such a disaster as that CPU pairing was.
     
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