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[TotW] Free to Play, Pay to Win or One and Done?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dekades, Nov 11, 2019.


Which Revenue Models Are You OK With? (Choose all that apply)

Poll closed Nov 18, 2019.
  1. One and Done (pay once for the game)

    37 vote(s)
  2. Pay-to-Win (You can buy a better weapon or gameplay advantage)

    6 vote(s)
  3. Loot Box (cosmetics)

    14 vote(s)
  4. Free to Play with RNG Cosmetics

    18 vote(s)
  5. Free to Play with Gacha mechanics (RNG advantage)

    4 vote(s)
  6. Free to Play (Paywall/stamina/energy timer)

    3 vote(s)
  7. Free to Play (Paid Seasons)

    6 vote(s)
  8. One and Done + Paid DLC

    24 vote(s)
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  1. Dekades

    Dekades Community Cowboy Staff Member

    During lunch, my colleagues and I were in a discussion about why certain AAA titles from major developers and publishers have flopped, recently. It seems that the past few years have been hard on big named games. It's my theory that on top of not having the original teams that bore the AAA game franchise, a lot of the games now a days are built around a revenue model instead of, well, a gameplay experience. I think when developers are forced to create around a revenue model, it can restrict gameplay systems and mechanics, which in turn affects how a person may enjoy a game.

    Personally, I don't mind loot boxes if they're for cosmetics only. I have huge problem with pay-to-win or stupidly RNG gacha mechanics. I'm 100% ok with paying full price for a game if I know I'm going to get a good value out of it and will pay extra for strategically priced DLC.

    So for this week's Thread of the Week, I want to know what your preference is. Fill the poll out and let me hear your thoughts!
  2. shmekermeister

    shmekermeister Well-Known Member

    I do agree with you regarding loot boxes, if they are restricted only to cosmetics and without giving and advantage to the buyer (like Dota 2 or CSGO).
    But for me, I had best experience with games like Skyrim and Witcher 3: I buy full game, and if I like it I will buy probably any additional DLC. And the same will be with Cyberpunk 2077.

    One additional note; don't know for you guys, but I detest when some games are trying to "force" you to buy things through microtransactions in game. In some games I wish I had Addblocker.
  3. SukiSuki16

    SukiSuki16 Active Member

    I prefer pay once and play games with extra DLC. Just makes a game have a nice enjoying experience playing it
  4. Nilremagl

    Nilremagl Well-Known Member

    Payed to play is missing so much !
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  5. 0V3R_K1LL

    0V3R_K1LL Well-Known Member

    I think TF2 was the best use of cosmetic items in a F2P game. The community thrived for so long till Valve killed it with their declining support and releasing Dota 2, their favorite child.

    DRIFT_IT Well-Known Member

    I still wish games were a one and done thing. I guess for developers its hard to keep making content for a game they get no revenue out of but for consumers, paying on and on just to keep a game relevant is hard in the long term.
  7. JR0nin

    JR0nin Well-Known Member

    Once and Done (pay once for the game) + Paid DLC and then free to play (paid seasons) is what i would like if provided the option. Instead of keeping on paying for each and every items in the game.
  8. xCryptik

    xCryptik Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    All my money went into pretty and cute cosmetics including beautiful clothes and weapons. :oops:
  9. PhrostByt

    PhrostByt Active Member

    one and done please :|
  10. .Surf.

    .Surf. Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Haven't bought too many games so far, mostly i wait for the to be cracked and download them. I got games like OW, Diablo 3, The Witcher 3. Some of them really made me want to have the game in my collection. But i guess i want to buy the whole game and have the additional dlcs included.
  11. FrozenFireVR

    FrozenFireVR Well-Known Member

    Hmm... I don't really agree with paid DLCs either. The other 3 leading choices are what I picked.
  12. Hermanator

    Hermanator Well-Known Member

    Can someone tell me what's the difference of loot box and RNG cosmetics?
  13. xARACHN1D

    xARACHN1D Well-Known Member

    I like games like legend of Zelda, where you can get DLC but they just enhance YOUR gameplay, and don't mess with others. I don't agree that you should be able to purchase upgrades in online games.
  14. H00dy

    H00dy Well-Known Member

    It's obvious that gaming is BUSINESS, and games are made for PROFIT.
    ...but, back in a days the games were made to give fun for players, now it seems that all that matters is money, and it sucks a lot.
    They are squeezing us like lemons, and will continue until we say HELL NO!.

    I love Civilization series but now it's an outrage; playable game for 50$, then additional civs and leaders for few bucks each, addons with new machanics for 30$ each, WTF?!?
    Ultimate Platinum Edition, Season Pass - sign of times? Naah, TYVM devs, I'm out!
    I'll play it after a year or two, when the most ;) of bugs will be fixed, and for quarter of a price - it isn't worth more.
  15. evilchargerfan

    evilchargerfan Well-Known Member

    one and done

    I am against the model that allows people to BUY their way to victory *cough* clash of clans *cough*
  16. Dekades

    Dekades Community Cowboy Staff Member

    They can be one in the same. You can get RNG cosmetics in loot boxes. But not all loot boxes contain RNG cosmetics exclusively. Loot boxes can also include tactical advantages, like giving you a better gun.

    For example, both Overwatch and Hearthstone have loot box mechanics.

    Overwatch has literal loot boxes, while Hearthstone has their loot boxes as card packs. You can grind out time or pay for both games. However, Overwatch loot box items are purely cosmetic; skins, sprays, voice lines, etc...

    Hearthstone however, depending on the cruel or kind fate of RNG, may give you a card that can essentially turn your deck into a winner. Technically, you can play to earn currency to get the specific card you want, but that could take a long time. You can also pay for a large amount of card packs and hope that you get the card you want and if you don't, you'll still have plenty of duplicate cards you can turn into currency to get the card you want. Even though you may have not been able to get the card you want through opening a lot of packs (Loot Box RNG), because you paid for all those cards and you now have the materials to craft the card you want, you have gained an advantage in time.

    Now imagine when a new expansion set is released. Instead of playing for days trying to earn the materials to get the card you want. You drop a lot of money on card packs and start building your deck on day one.

    That is a paid advantage.

    Now, I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing. They're emulating the nature of card games and card packs. As a kid I used to collect Garbage Pail Kids and Baseballs cards. I spent a lot of money hoping for that one card I really wanted. Sometimes I got lucky. Other times, I never got it and paid market price for the card I really wanted.

    Now that I think about it, I really should look for those cards.
  17. Jenjar

    Jenjar Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    I always rather to just pay for the game, and that is it. I am not really a fan of lootboxes, or any other thing that could give you an advantage over players. However, I am just fine if a game has cosmetic stuff that you can buy (such as character outfits, gun "skins" etc..), that does not give an advantage over other users.

    DLC's are also good if they do not give other users an advantage, such as some games like Euro Truck Simulator where you can buy extensions to the game map for more areas to drive around in.
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  18. Hermanator

    Hermanator Well-Known Member

    Your response is much appreciated, kind sir.
    babideebabidoo likes this.
  19. Kenserky

    Kenserky Well-Known Member

    I greatly prefer paying once and for all for a game and eventually for DLC if they add real content and not just cosmetics, but i spend a bit of time on free to play with rng cosmetics, but i can't stand pay to win.
    About lootboxes i like when they drop cosmetics or alike, so the balance isn't broken.
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  20. BoreClear

    BoreClear Member

    If i pay $60 for a game, I expect it to be a finished product. That being said im ok with DLC that comes later, it gives me something to do after ive already beaten a game I enjoy.
    H00dy likes this.
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