Very Low Fire Strike Score? :( Help!

Discussion in 'Systems' started by RestInPepperoni.Rip1, May 29, 2018.

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  1. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    After seeing what you tried it’s almost sure your CPU keeps that score lower because of thermal throttling, unless you sending back for thermal pad repasting Job i think it won’t get any better. Did you also keep maximum processors state to 99%? It keeps from turbo boost that help cpu from heat that cause throttling and also save the battery life. Is your timespy score also lower than 3600~3700?
     
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  2. Im not sure if I can send it back so soon though, since I do need it for studies, and I'm not sure how long they'll take to fix it. Also recently in Overwatch I've been getting "your rendering device has been lost" errors and the whole game crashes, while Fortnite gave me really bad fps drops when looking around the character really quickly/ when shooting. The fortnite error happened after the recent update though so I'm not sure if it's the update issue. It's happening even when running the game on 720p low settings, where it drops from 60 fps to 30-40.
     
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  3. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    I don’t know in...US? But here in Germany I sent it for diagnosis Monday and back again on same week since EU repair center seems located in Germany, and they did replacement for some parts that needed to be changed. I thought it’ll take around 2 weeks as I saw some users was reporting so, maybe they’ve no repair center on their country. It’s annoying for sure having such issues with that games in a gaming laptop, since it isn’t really demanding games. Btw huge FPS drops on fighting scenes are mostly because thermal throttling, cpu drops it them self to keep the system safe, like avoiding crashing when temperature reach its limit.
     
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  4. fastresources735

    fastresources735 New Member

    Sorry I've seen only now your message.
    It was achieved on 7770hq GTX1060 in really hot day at -0.120v on cpu and for the gpu side +100mhz core +500mhz memory. (with no fan stand which is cheating a bit for the extra cooling)
    I don't really know, what are your specs?

    I've figured it out that the thermal throttling I'm experiencing is due to turbo boost. The cooling system is not able to maintein full turbo speed, the people how claims 75/80c on stress test (prime95 the most demanding) is not running at turbo speeds (ex 99% cpu max usage, turbo boost disabled ecc..) a thing than prevents throttling but loses some performance. If you are running with this cpu tweaks probably the difference more is in the cpu physics score. Let me now ;)
     
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  5. fastresources735

    fastresources735 New Member

    A bit of gpu overclock, max turbo boost speed on cpu. Is yours throttling? It should perform similar. (I think I could get 10k, I will try in the next days).
     
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  6. fastresources735

    fastresources735 New Member

    I have some news. I re-did my thermal paste job yesterday night, very easy fix thanks to razer internal design. Very clever engineering it's beautiful the internal opened up.
    Cpu was throttling hard on prime95 and a bit on xtu stress test; Stock thermal paste job was crap, on the cpu there was too little paste and kinda liquid. Re did the paste job with artic mx-2 (not best performer even).
    I fullfilled the heatpipes on gpu before and used a good amount on both cpu and gpu (it's non conductive paste).
    Results? Cpu is throttling no more, even on prime 95 small fft test. Dropped about 25C at a higher turbo clock than before (97C throttling). Gpu dropped only like 5C but it was ok even before with temps.

    What can I say? Now gaming is smoother and laptop is a bit quieter. I'm very happy!
    I was only concerned about pads/pastes on vrms that looked bad. But i have to ask what kind of thing is the one on the vrm. But since I have no vrm throttling I didn't change nothing now.
     
  7. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    That’s nice improvement. Yes i saw some get bad thermal open box, that’s why I did a lot thermal and performance testing at first week, Blade late 2016 couldn’t pass it (before bios fix released) so I returned it and after some conversation with technical support. Blade 2017 passed it with highest cpu temperature was 84, with Bios undervolting I could cap 81 max. For some user who uncomfortable opening their Blade like me I would recommend keep sending it back if you have high temperatures that throttle the performance so they will be more careful on thermal pasting job in production process, to make less loss from RMA process.
     
  8. fastresources735

    fastresources735 New Member

    Your're right, Razer is an high end laptop producer, they could use better paste but more important that that a decent application. I think that high temps could ruin tim performance overtime, so I don't blame razer about temps too much as replacement is made easy even in a very small form factor like my blade 2017.

    What do you used to thermal test your laptop? Using xtu ect... is not correct for 100% cpu usage ultra load. Only prime95 aida64 do test max temps. I got prime95 small FFT don't throttle at all around like 85/90C after a while.
    I used mx-2, maybe I will upgrade to an high end non conductive paste.

    Made a firestrike run, got 9670+ points, -150mv on 7770hq +120mhz core gpu +500mhz memory gpu (stable till 700Mhz but i don't want hidden errors in memory and performance is similar to my setup).
     
  9. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Yes I used also prime95 at first 2 weeks receiving the Blade, I forgot the max temperature but it was without high temperatures value and throttling that showed on red values on HWINFO64. I didn’t need prime to test the cpu anymore since AC Origins was also stressing my cpu. And with help from core it could down the cpu to low 80 again, and hooray i finished the game so I could at least don’t stress the cpu anymore.
    About overclocking, i did also Bios moding to disable ASPM to reach that 10,5k Firestrike, forgot about Core and memory OC values but it was also with nvidia experience uninstalled to reach the highest score. Though on daily use I’m using normal default non OC setting around 9500 overall scores for the better lifespan, didn’t notice so huge performance difference with 10,5k one in real gaming experience, maybe 3 to 4fps and better lowest FPS on OC setting. It’s also depends on gpu silicon lottery, I saw a user without OC only bios tweak reached 10K or almost...forgot also about that but way better than my default score. Timespy is also good for measure the gpu performance, I feel it more objective than Firestrike honestly, from dgpu Test (Blade dGPU) and eGPU (Razer Core) that I did.
     
  10. fastresources735

    fastresources735 New Member

    I was asking that because a lot of people seetm to run not turboboost on cpu, so temps won't compare.

    Can you explain me the ASPM? I wanted to do the bios mod but I was scared, does it improve graphics card performance? I've seen fer.ger video, does it help much? Is it worth it?
     
  11. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Don't do that if you're scared, yes it improove the GPU performance. It was found accidentally by late 2016 user after bios update, by off ing ASPM the firestrike score bumped. And 2017 users should moding the bios to get access to that setting, and it was also bump the GPU performance.
     
  12. fastresources735

    fastresources735 New Member

    Yeah because i don't know exactly what does it change. Is it reversible? Do you follwed a guide to do that?

    Does turning ASPM off increases gpu frequency? Because mine is power limited, but i reckon a bit of space in temps to go definitely higher. Thank.
    I know ASPM is disabled in gaming laptops as usual defaul setting. Does it change laptop's gaming performance while on battery?
     
  13. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Yes, if you flash it with original bios, updating bios (from support page) or changes battery, it’ll turn to original bios. Never see my gpu frequency, but I think no. You can change ASPM on power options but that doesn’t bring the performance bump (increase FS score), till now it’s remain question for me;), because it’s Battery power saver technology so far I know. Btw he asked how to do that, i remember that I told him by bios moding on this forum, idk though if other users guided him details per PM like I was, but he knows already how to moding bios, and being nice to share it on YouTube. But I think missed one step to unlock overclocking function but for tech geek who knows how to moding bios it could be easily done.
     
  14. fastresources735

    fastresources735 New Member

    Thanks man, I'm working on it right now. I think you should re do it every bios update right?
     
  15. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Yes I thought it would keep the setting but it seems changed according my Blade 14 buyer after he updated manually from support page after installing anything (i sent him after factory reset). But he is pleased with stock score that around 9,4K, only asked me about my undervolting value.
     
  16. fastresources735

    fastresources735 New Member

    I got the ASPM menu no the cpu one... I don't get what am I missing... i can undervolt in xtu but bios is always a more clean and precise way. You know how to bios mod?
     
  17. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    As I mentioned he missed one step. I forgot exactly where to make setting visible, it was only on and off options when I’m not wrong, I don’t have the Blade any more, you can check enthusiasts forum like notebookreview forum, I think it was also talked there or ask f.garcia on his YouTube channel, if he’s still have it.
     
  18. fastresources735

    fastresources735 New Member

    I got it. Firestrike score was over 10k, almost 10.5k.
    Improved in other benchmarks too
     
  19. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Nice, just don’t OC, use only ASPM off and undervolting only for longer lifespan and you’re good.
     
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