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  1. KG105_no_id

    KG105_no_id New Member

    I agree whole heartedly with the one addition that I believe 13" is too small. Stepping up to a 15" screen would make it a definate buy for me.
     
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  2. forLinuxCompat

    forLinuxCompat New Member

    It's fun to see how many people are registering *just* to comment on this thread.

    What I'd love to see:

    screen: ditch 16:9 aspect ratio. The current razer blade has top and bottom bevels that are 1.5 times the width of the side bevels. You could easily fit a 16:10 screen in without changing the chassis, so you would gain screen space. The screen should of course have a high ppi and be matte.

    good power management: battery life that lasts as long as or longer than a macbook pro (often what people compare to).

    silent but cool: I don't want the fan screaming all the time but I don't want it to run hot.

    Not so long ago I would have wanted 3 hardware mouse buttons, but I've been getting used to (and quite like) multifinger touches on a good trackpad.

    2 disks probably.
     
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  3. steve12345_no_id

    steve12345_no_id New Member

    Please don't run up the price with gamer features like rgb keyboard leds, subwoofers, and an expensive, battery draining, discrete GPU. Or, at least offer separate business and gamer models.

    A solid business laptop with a large display, decent CPU, NVME, and at least 16GB RAM capacity that runs Linux without having to hand configure things like ACPI events for lid open/shut would be nice.

    Some USB 3.1 ports and a mini displayport would allow use as a portable desktop replacement with easy docking.

    A high NIT (400+) display option would be nice for those of us who like to see the light of day.

    A couple different battery size options would be nice.

    Use cases:
    Software development/content creation - large display size/high resolution requirement
    Product demos running on one or more VMs concurrently - RAM requirement
    Outdoor use for quality of life - high NIT display and large battery requirement
     
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  4. jonhymaxoo

    jonhymaxoo New Member

    All other razer hardware and software support.
    Also a Razer linux distro with Razer design inspired UI.
     
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  5. BrMiLy

    BrMiLy New Member

    As a long time Linux user and Razer user, I would love to buy:

    A Linux Razer Stealth with a MATTE screen and at least 16GB of RAM. Bonus points if you can fit multiple (M2?) SSD in there somehow. Ideally with backlit keys.

    I'd pay $$$ for that.

    Super extra bonus points if I can output 4K 2160 @ 60Hz over HDMI, but I don't expect that to actually happen unless the external GPU is an option.
     
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  6. Mr. Smith_no_id

    Mr. Smith_no_id New Member

    My workload has a substantial amount of virtualization. Because of this I require 64GB ram or greater - Especially when I'm running multiple OSes at the same time. This becomes even more of a big deal when I'm writing and testing droid apps on multiple platforms simultaneously while also running multiple VMs for various other applications which I need to keep contained due to their propensity to overwrite system files needed by other applications.

    For my application, my must-haves are a STRONG CPU, lots of ram, and FAST storage. I have no need for an optical drive so you could delete that from the frame to make space for other more useful components.

    My overall Ideal laptop would be:

    DISPLAY:
    18" 4k IPS display (lets be real. Anyone buying a machine for coding is gonna be looking at the display on this thing for 12-16hrs a day - they better like what they are looking at, and tiny displays with poor color reproduction just doesn't get it)

    Should I dare to ask for a well designed capacitive(NOT RESISTIVE) touch panel over the display?
    if you include one, then pay attention to the following:
    1) this need to be a discrete susbsystem. Treat it like a mouse. Make the drivers available to the Linux community as a GPL SOURCE BUNDLE so every distribution can use it as intended.
    2) For GOD's SAKE don't downgrade my display resolution for the "privilege" of having a touch panel (DELL I'm looking at YOU)
    3)Have a switch to disable it on the fly in the event it starts wigging out, or some usecase requires it to be off.


    CPU:
    What I really want:

    Intel XEON E5-2699 v4 (yes the server edition ((23344 passmarks)) and NOT a watered down mobile edition)

    256GB Ram (1.54tb max)

    Ok, a major point here is to support the max amount of ram the cpu supports - I.E. make sure the bios supports the max, and if possible include enough slots to get it done. In the case of the XEON, this might pose quite a challenge so I would support the max with the bios and stick with whatever fits in 2 double decker ram stacks. There should be at least 4 slots for ram - more like 8 if you plan to stuff a Proper Xeon under the hood (and not that mobile Xeon crap - WTF Intel?).

    What you can likely stuff into the case:
    Intel Core i7 6950X
    128GB Ram (128GB max)

    STORAGE:
    2x M.2 NVME Slots
    Slot1: 1TB Samsung 860 Pro NVME
    Slot2: 2TB Samsung 860 Pro NVME

    2 externally accessible (as in NOT under the keyboard) SATA Bays for "cheap" storage

    You can leave off the optical drive bay - I don't use it, and likely most folks in the Linux world don't either.

    BATTERY:
    The battery needs to be able to run the machine for a BARE MINIMUM of 2 hrs at full load. This 30-minutes-of-run-time-unless-you-turn-everything-off crap is bogus, and I'm sure every other working professional would agree with me. Hell If you offered a 6hr@full load option I'd buy it, and they would too. Even if it meant adding another 15lbs to the machine. The battery should be an external battery to make changeouts easy. (Soooo many reasons for this)

    OTHER STUFF:
    Reasonable soundcard
    Decent speakers built into the frame and tuned for good sound(this is one thing the old dell XPS circa L702x did well - beat them and you are golden)
    3.5mm inputs and outputs for the usual reasons
    Back-lit keyboard
    Top end Intel wifi + Bluetooth
    1Gb Ethernet


    4 USB3 ports ( NOT USB-C - there are a whole lot of devices out there which are still USB3, USB2, and even USB1 )

    2 full display ports (as in EACH one can handle a 4k monitor) if anyone needs HDMI or VGA support, offer adapters for that.

    Note I did not mention a discrete graphics card. The only discrete GPU worth having is an Nvidia card, but with Optimus on Linux being as problematic as it is, I would prefer to just stick with the onboard Intel GPU on the CPU since my workload doesn't really require high powered graphics. Even If you can get Nvidia to clean up their act as another poster mentioned, laptop GPUs (even the best money can buy from Nvidia) are ridiculously under powered to handle any real gaming. Better off to go with an external card mounted in an external PCIe bay and link to it with thunderbolt. You make THAT an option and you will have made one very flexible machine.


    Nice to haves:
    2 USB-C Thunderbolt v3 ports (Legitimate and NOT watered down) - Heck, if you can get this done then you could delete the DisplayPorts and go with 4 of these. Done properly, this provides 40Gb worth of bandwith per port for all kinds of things and would have the potential to be the most useful interface on the machine. Think highspeed network links, external video cards( Full sized Geforce 1080 Ti anyone?), external highspeed storage solutions for things like linear video editing. Oh yeah and you can plug a monitor into these too, but I bet you already knew that...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
     
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  7. I bought a Razer Blade Steath and immediately formatted the disk and installed Ubuntu. I tried a few distros but Ubuntu with some Mac themes was the most useable. There were some clitches in the first few months but with the latest updates the machine is pretty solid and goes 8 hours on a charge. Love it!
     
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  9. darundal_no_id

    darundal_no_id New Member

    Take a look at the classic thinkpads, specifically the T420/X220. Built to be serviced (easy to take apart/repair), a touchpad that I can disable in the bios, a trackpoint, a non-chiclet keyboard, a much fuller keyboard than most laptops (numpads don't count for me, don't need or want it on my laptop), great software support, a matte screen (or at least an option, although you can easily best thinkpad quality screen), bios/uefi settings that let me fix any keyboard oddities (T420 has a FN key where the control key is traditionally, I switched this in the bios). Beyond that, throw in the stellar razer build quality. Make sure to look at the current thinkpad lineup and realize plenty of people are NOT happy with those.
     
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  10. Tabs_no_id

    Tabs_no_id New Member

    I currently use a Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition loaded with Ubuntu 16.04 (Mate) as my only laptop. I certainly welcome more competition in this space.
     
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  11. classicZompammo672

    classicZompammo672 New Member

    I currently use a 14" Razer Blade 2015 as an Ubuntu-only computer.

    Most things work surprisingly well on Ubuntu 16.04, except for:
    • Webcam doesn't work at all. The light blinks green but it does nothing.
    • Suspend/hibernate don't work. The machine appears to suspend, but never wakes up.
    • Occasionally, a key on the keyboard will get "stuck" in the "down" position and spam my computer with keypresses. Pressing any other key stops it. This has occurred on every Blade I've used on Linux so it is not an isolated hardware issue with my machine. Maybe this is an issue with the anti-ghosting firmware?
    • Auto-switching of the discrete GPU doesn't work. I have to manually disable the discreet GPU using Bumblebee. If I don't do that, it stays on by default and generates a lot of heat and drains the battery, even if only doing mundane tasks like web browsing.
    • Keyboard backlight used to work, but a recent kernel update seems to have broken it. Now it doesn't turn on at all.
    • Bluetooth support is buggy and mediocre, but I think that's just Bluetooth on Linux in general.
    Otherwise I think the hardware itself is excellent. The trackpad in particular is very good and I like having the discreet clickable buttons. I think the 14" screen size is the perfect size--it's not cramped like a 13" but doesn't have the huge footprint of a 15". The only things I would tweak would be:
    • Add USB-C ports and charging.
    • Better quality control for the screen panels. When I first bought it I had to return several Blades because the screens would have a noticeable color shift from a light pink to white. This makes web design work difficult because color accuracy is very important. I can't do graphics work if one side of my screen has a pink tint. (Fortunately Razer support was very accommodating in sending me a Blade they personally tested to be free of this screen issue.)
    • Better printing of letters on the keyboard keys. My left "alt" and "windows" key have basically peeled off, after just a year and a half of use.
    Otherwise Linux support would be an amazing achievement. I already recommend Blades to my fellow developers for their above-average Linux support. Keep up the build quality and I'd only be buying Blades from now on--though I'm still happily using my 2015!

    Edit: I would also suggest selling basic parts like spare batteries separately. For those of us who like to use laptops for many years, and who are using Blades as their daily work computers, the prospect of having to expensively ship a machine to an HQ and spend weeks without it while all the do is install a new battery is a little ridiculous. Sell new batteries separately and let us void our warranties and install them ourselves in 10 minutes.
     
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  12. Amberlaburban774

    Amberlaburban774 New Member

    My suggestion is to always be sure to offer an option in the BIOS to exclusively use the discrete GPU. Optimus (using both Intel and Nvidia cards at once) on Linux is very troublesome and having the option to simply skip it and use only one GPU would be ideal. Personally, I have 0 interest in using the Intel graphics chip.
     
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  13. KristijanZic

    KristijanZic New Member

    Well, I think I can finally buy a Razer laptop to be my new Linux machine. I was just waiting for Razer to get more interested in the Linux community that it definitely has :)
     
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  14. doubleV_no_id

    doubleV_no_id New Member

    I do a lot of multi-media processing for digital pizza..

    I'd like to see you're own distro!! come out in collaboration with hard-ware you're thinking of building.. right-now, admittedly, I'm using system76 and with it came customization scripts for the hardware, but it would have been really cool to have installed say a business suite, or maybe a gaming suite, or audio-visual suite. I don't know if it would be worth it, because the people that do.. do a very good job at it in the Gnu/Foss Linux world.. But wouldn't it be crazy to see Steam running on XFCE, which is a superfast window manager, or something as small as puppyLinux!? and absolutely flies but has full media mobility Angry_height.jpg .

    But like I said I do a lot of multi-media processing, so I'd like a setup that can run decent scanners, flip them with gimp, and cut them up with a movie editor or something... that leaves over the extra video and board ram for large files and undo-queus... then when I'm not looking.. downloads wikipedia offline for mirroring.. and to play steam.. or steamVR.. for when I'm chewing on real pizza.
     
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  15. ddska

    ddska New Member

    I also run only Linux on my desktop and laptop.
    Recently I was choosing a new laptop and considered Razer's products, but linux support is poor, so I choose Dell.
    What I was looking for:
    - Powerful CPU like 4-core i7
    - At least 16 Gb RAM, better to have 20-32 Gb. Not soldered, upgradable.
    - SSD: M.2 PCIe NVMe
    - Full HD screen 13-15"
    - Open source driver support for trackpad / wifi / bluetooth / camera / etc
    - Installed Linux distro out-of-the-box where everything is working
    - Only built-in Intel graphics, no Nvida/AMD GPU
    - Weight not more then 1.5 Kg
    - Ability to disable secure boot
    - Absence of optical drive
     
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  16. classicZompammo672

    classicZompammo672 New Member

    I also want to add that the goal of Linux support should be "works out of the box on a fresh install from my own USB drive." What I mean by that is there should be no special Razer Synapse software necessary for it to work on Linux--driver support should be built-in and settings should be tweakable via config files, not special 3rd-party software. That's the Linux way :)
     
  17. Tabs_no_id

    Tabs_no_id New Member

    Yes. For example, Dell ships a custom image on their XPS products but they have been very good about getting support upstream.
     
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  19. orcephrye_no_id

    orcephrye_no_id New Member

    Hrm.... is a few suggestions.
    • Powerful CPU like the new Ryzen or i7.
    • The ability to customize the RAM above 16gigs at least 32 (I like my vms with lots of ram!)
    • M.2 support (At least one)
    • I do not care about having a large screen so 13 or 15in
    • obviously things like a trackpad, wifi, camera that is supported by opensource software. However I do not care about CD drive. The camera has a manual power switch?
    • Built in Intel graphics, I do not need Nvidia/AMD (That is what thunderbolt v3 is for)
    • A fully unlocked BIOS. So I can adjust all the lovely settings
    • I need USB 3.0 and/or 3.1 with or without 'c' connector. I need at least 2 but of course 3 or 4 would be nice.
    • Thunderbolt v3 port. (I only really need one but 2 separate full bandwidth v3 thunderbolt connections would be cool too)
    • Docking station anyone? Using Thunderbolt as a docking port i feel is a cop out but still ok. ( I mention this because I went with a Latitude E6540 a few years ago and have been enjoying the docking station. I have two. One for work and one for home.)
    What about a notepad or touchpad hybrid? What about releasing your software for Linux or even dare I say opensource it?
     
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  20. khm_no_id

    khm_no_id New Member

    The single, solitary thing I care about is having a three-button pointing stick. Right now, that means I can buy Thinkpads or a very few models of Dell laptop.

    If you make a pointing stick, I will buy the machine.
     
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