[UPDATE] Razer Blade 15 ft. Intel 9th Gen processor

Discussion in 'Systems' started by Razer.WolfPack, Jan 6, 2019.

  1. Vulkar59

    Vulkar59 New Member

  2. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    I see, there’s 3 mode on 2019 model, balanced is balance between cpu and gpu for better thermal, creator seemly put more power to cpu, and gaming mode put more performance to gpu and probably cpu as well. I’ve 2018 model with only 2 mode balanced and gaming, a bit different since gaming mode automatically add overclocking value to gpu which 2019 model seemly not. So you have add it manually like with afterburner to gain more gpu performance, but note that cpu should not reach high 90ish, thermal throttle area, so there won’t be performance drop.
    Happy to help, it can still be improved if you want to. But if it has great cpu and gpu temperature, like max on 80ish range and you’re happy with the performance I would keep that setting. 20K Firestrike graphics score is already blow up last year top Blade model 1070mq score with a decent overclocking and other tweaking.
     
  3. Vulkar59

    Vulkar59 New Member

    I'd love to see how far I can take the performance on this thing. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
     
  4. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Usually oem (manufacture) setting is safety setting in long run but if you intend to look how can it goes far, you can try searching best undervolting value for your cpu using like intel XTU, usually 8750H is around -120mV average core offset. And for the gpu using afterburner, idk about 2080maxq OC value, my rtx2080 stable on +160 core and +700 memory so maybe you can start from there and running 3Dmark, cpu undervolting too low or OC gpu too high the benchmark will be automatically stopped or sometimes comes BSOD, but not to worry about, Windows would restart the system safely. I saw Blade 2080maxq on Firestrike graphics hits 21K and physical 8750H 16K make overall score around 17K~. It depends all as well on your gpu cpu silicons lottery, some can be OCed higher and some not.
     
  5. robin787

    robin787 New Member

    Hi guys,

    I need some help and advise here. I have recently purchased a Razer Blade 15 RTX2070 model, which is my very first gaming laptop and my first PC after so many years. I have read through this thread and watched all the youtube videos and reviews, etc. I am really happy and excited about my new toy, however I am a bit confused when it comes to gaming. I saw a lot of people commenting on how cool the temperatures are compared to previous models but I have nothing to compare it with. I have only tried playing Far Cry 5 so far and on 'Ultra' settings I had an average of 78 fps when I ran the in-game benchmark, which is great I think. However, I noticed that the area above the keyboard gets extremely hot (in my opinion) that it almost hurts to touch it. I was curious about the actual temperatures, so I downloaded and installed the HWiNFO64 program to monitor it. I was shocked to see temps approaching 100 degrees, I do not think that is normal.

    I have Razer Central / Cortex / Synapse installed with performance mode set to Balanced and screen refresh rate at 144 Hz. Whenever Razer Cortex is not running, I have the ability to select a power mode when clicking on the battery icon on Windows taskbar. That one is set it Best Battery life, but I don not see this option after when Razer Cortex is running. Which one do you recommend to use?

    I have also installed and tried Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility software and ran the benchmark in it (without modifying any parameters of course). I got really disappointing temperatures here as well. Is there something wrong with my config, should I send it back to Razer or am I missing something here?

    I would appreciate your inputs. (Sorry for my English btw..)

    Regards,
    Robin
     

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  6. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Since you have xtu, did you also undervolting the cpu? I would recommend it since it low cpu temperature and increase the performance for having cooler system. 6 cores 8750H out of box runs quite hot, especially with its Turbo Boost it may spike the temperature to 90ish, and you play also cpu demanding title far cry 5, imo undervolting is needed, go to advanced setting and set voltage offset to -0.120V (mine btw -0.130), see the difference. Did you play it with Synapse auto fans? Try set to your preferred rpm (me on 4800rpm), on intensive usage auto fans cools the system not as great as manual. And don’t try gaming mode on this title (Far cry 5), i don’t have rtx model but 2018 gtx1070mq has also same cpu, unless you limiting core clock (using throttlestop but performance drop as trade off) or using egpu setting (sharing cpu and gpu Temperature for lower overalls temperature) I guarantee it’ll hit 90ish. Sidenote your xtu benchmarks score is not bad and if it’s without undervolting it’s normal temperature for 8750H.
     
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  7. AntsaK2

    AntsaK2 New Member

    How is your system doing after tweaking?

    I should get the same model tomorrow so I will throw my 2 cents here after I have done some testing.
     
  8. robin787

    robin787 New Member

    Thank you for your answer. I undervolted by -0.120 V + set the fans manually to around 5,000 rpm and it really made a difference. I left the performance mode in Balanced as you said.
     

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  9. AntsaK2

    AntsaK2 New Member

    So how were your temps after this?
     
  10. robin787

    robin787 New Member

    CPU never went above 94 degrees (before it was 99C) with an average of 83 C. I had a steady 90+ fps during the game.
     

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  11. AntsaK2

    AntsaK2 New Member

    Glad to hear! That seem in line with other users.
     
  12. InsoMia

    InsoMia New Member

    Hi Robin, congrats on your new Razer Blade 15. I also recently bought the same model as you and had the same experience as you did in terms of thermals. After some research, it is as Joikansai recommended, under-bolting really helps a lot as I managed to bring the 8750H temps from max 107c down to max 91c when playing CPU intensive titles like AC origins, Forza Horizon.
     
  13. robin787

    robin787 New Member

    That's great! Which software and how much undervolting did you use? Congrats on your Blade, too!
     
  14. AntsaK2

    AntsaK2 New Member

    I've got 2070 model today and feels pretty rad. My CPU temps were around 80-90 with Division 2 and slightly above 80 with lighter games. After -0.050 undervolting my CPU never got over 85 but I think that I can drop those little more.

    I tried about a 10 different titles and everything ran as expected. However Sekiro Shadows Die Twice did not run over 20 FPS at any resolution. CPU and GPU were on their 60's but the game ran like dogshit! This was strange but I think it is too hard for me anyway.
     
  15. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    That’s great one, 8750H is stable at -0.120.
    Some steam games sometimes take iGPU (uhd630) instead nvidia gpu, you should change it manually from balance (automatically choose gpu) to max performance (nvidia gpu) on 3D setting specific apps on nvidia control panel. Of course you can’t go further by playing that on 20fps, even on 60fps @1440p I died not twice, but thousands:smile_: It’s wrong title:wink_:
     
  16. AntsaK2

    AntsaK2 New Member

    Thank You very much for this!
     
  17. AntsaK2

    AntsaK2 New Member

    Other strange thing is that Intel XTU shows very often that my system is Power Limit Throttling and Thermal Throttling when I am just using web browser or doing some light task. This happens with or without undervolting and lasts just a second. My temps are at around 40C and there are no spikes on XTU's temperature graph.

    Could anyone test this? I best notice this when I run XTU and any other program side by side and start switching apps etc.
     
  18. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Power limit throttling is manufacturer answer toward this 6 core 8750H, it’s to limit cpu tdp not to thermal throttle on gaming. Alienware, MSI, and some manufactures are doing this as well especially on thin light categories, it’s set on ec firmware I think. That’s also why there’re creator (maximizing cpu), gaming (max cpu gpu), and balanced (limit cpu tdp and default gpu). On gaming mode even power limit throttle still there, it’s less than balanced mode (idk quite sure about creator since mine is 2018, only balanced and gaming) and core clock hits most often 3,9 GHz.
     
  19. AntsaK2

    AntsaK2 New Member

    Thanks for quick reply

    So this is normal for Razer laptops and I can just ignore it?
     
  20. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Yes ignore it. You can kill that power limit throttling by tweaking bios but it’s not worth to try, tried that but overall thermal and performance still great on Razer default bios. Other manufacturer has user friendly bios option to change it, but their performance are mostly under Blade due using weird hardware setting (low tdp gpu, single Chanel ram, or bad heat sink) that made them tweak their machine a lot. I’m talking about thin light gaming laptops category btw.
     
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