Dark-Rider
Hello Joikansai
First of all, Happy new year 2019 to you, and all forum members
Now back on the subject, I don't think it is a question to blame Intel or Razer. Both in my mind actually are responsible, as said @I4v4I4mp3, for the lack of transparency, in order to sell you something you don't need.
Now the argument of "overheat" impacting the laptop life span is highly questionable - for instance, I don't overclock and I am using my laptop within the boundaries of "normal usage" with a little plus: my laptop stay stationary 11 month on 12 on my desk. Hense there is no reason for my laptop to "break" or fall.
If heat implies a shorter laptop life span, then we, blade owners, have a serious problem - but I doubt that.
(with regards to heat and GPU questions, I recommend to read this to understand that gpu used for mining don't see a drop in performances while they generated heat, 24/7 for along period of time)
side note: I though the 2080 could be a game changer for this setup, but, thx l4v4l4mp3 for trying it, we now know that it is not the case (and I am not even surprised that much)
Cheers,
D8
Yes Happy new year 🎉to you too.
If you can keep monitoring your laptop without egpu it’s fine having Blade, keep in mind it’s gaming laptop in MacBook size. The heat especially in this category laptops is the best enemy.
For most poeple who aiming FPS it’s 1080ti or 2080 isn’t gaming changer if you have decent gpu on your laptop but not for some who want better resolution like 4K gaming that couldn’t be done well. I did that on my previous Blade 14 doing 4K with 1080ti on rise of Tomb Raider that was unplayable on 1060 dGPU. Though I play also a lot esports that made my gaming usage around 50 50 between dGPU and eGPU. And as result I could sell it on mint condition like day one, even I use it outside as well.
Heat that generated inside may wear the other parts as well, so it comes also to lucky factor if you get great parts.
This is similar with gpu for mining, it’ll use from my understanding using softminer recently 100% gpu usage, like using 100%battery on phone, phone will be fine but it will be dropping the battery performance.
Anyway to me egpu isn’t also gaming changer but it’s for some users, you can take a look on egpu.io, a lot Mac users become enthusiasts about this, they can finally gaming on that and as ex MacBook user I can really understand that gaming on mac was really painful in term performance and heat. To me on Blade 15 with egpu it’s a gaming revolution, especially with rtx card, the reflection is just natural and could be done in a laptop, played last night stories (for online competitive i prefer over 70fps) on BFV it just works;) 40fps~ 1440p medium, I think with 2080 or higher it’ll be better. On stealth with weaker cpu it’s totally unplayable, laggy.
Yep I agree with you, too. (at least partly)
For Mac Users or people with just an Ultrabook, without a mid to high value dGPU, a core and all eGPUs makes sense and bringing performance. But with a 1070 its at least for gaming not that much, in response to the costs.
If you are rendering, mining or sth like this that might change, because in that scenario I guess the bandwidth is not that bottleneck than for high fps gaming.
So just adding a core with RTX for medium raytracing might be fun, but it is not worth (at least for me).
So saving the money and waiting for RTX cards in a new blade or sth like this.
Since I doubt that even TB4 - if it will available sooner or later will tweak the performance we need for high fps enough.
Just for reference the answer from razer regarding my question of any limiting factor when using a high price GPU in the Razer Core.
Greetings from Razer!
We understand your concern with regard to the performance of your Razer core X. We apologize for the inconvenience that the issue may have caused you.
With regard to your question. The Razer core X does not limit eGPU. It also varies on the card. You can actually check the link below.
https://support.razer.com/gaming-laptops/razer-core-x/
Please feel free to ask if you have any further questions, Have a good day!
Hello Joikansai, l4v4l4mp3
Apologies, but none of us 3 uses a Mackbook, and comparing GPU usage and Battery usage doesn't make any sense to me.
The only interest I see to use an external GPU box is to
- use 1 single TB3 cable to have everything going through it (charging, video, mouse, gamepad, Kb etc... = valid when using a Core V1 and V2 but not Core X)
- move the heat generation from the dGPU to an external GPU box (in connection with the next point)
- use very large screen(s) directly connected to the back of the Graphic card (as it is the case for you
l4v4l4mp3)
I am myself looking for a solution to plug my Blade to an ultra wide screen, but it is annoying/concerning that using a eGPU that will cost a kidney (or an eye) will reduce overall gaming performances.
I expect at least the same level of performances, ideally far better.
Then it make sense to wait for a new generation of Blade 14 or 15 with higher GPU embedded
or alternatively to use an Omen accelerator (far more quiet than the Core) with a GTX 1080ti and 700w PSU enabling hot swap until then.
Cheers,
D8
Yeah only one cable would be the dream idea. :]
But since I need an additional for power due to high consumption of the new blade 15A
And in addition I just wanted to save throughput and not connecting mouse, NIC and so on to this one cable, I already agreed with several cables again.
But as summary I guess we now more or less on the same page, all three of us.
Just one question, since you bringing up the Omen, I was reading much of it earlier and found a lot of compatibility issues and so on.
But besides that, is there any advantage for the Omen than using a Core?
Since due to TB3 connection and all it will be the same bottleneck as with the Core.
Also you need to tweak the PSU to get more than 500Watt.
Indeed, I heard as well the Omen has some compatibility issues with some GPUs. I understand it is seems to be connected with the Firmware version of the Omen MB and dimension available to fit the card in
For me, the advantage using the Omen
- it is silent compared to the Razer Core(s)
- it contains a TB3 hub (like the core V1 and V2), all connected to the TB3 single cable as follow
1. Gigabit ethernet 10/100/1000
2. Thunderbolt 31
3. USB 3.1 Type-C
4. 4 x USB 3.1 Type-A
- you can install a SSD hard drive inside - you can even boot from it, or just use it as storage for your games and data and that is a big big plus compared to the Core
- there is room inside the box for a big GPU (330x140x53 for the Omen vs 330x144x
43! for the Core v1 and V2)
- the Box is bigger than the Core (all versions) and it is good in case the GPU produces a lot of heat like with RTX cards
PS: I like your ultra-wide 49" screen !
If I had not got a good deal price for The Core X and no need for additional storage due to NAS and the 2TB Evo970 in my blade I guess I had chosen the Omen than the Core.
Since the benefits are really good advantages besides the main aspect of GPU power.
PS: Thx - Yeah bought that screen since I saved some money from downgrading my blade from 4k to 144hz model and getting a good black Friday deal. So I re-invested the saved money :D
But today Samsung announced the new model with 2x1440p -> but again here more pixels will cost more GPU power, will lower my frames again. So i think nothing to worry that much :D
And Sadly my Spare One X is not able to give ultra-wide resolution, only 16:9 - So I can run both of my Xbox On X'es at the same screen, but makes totally no sense
Dark-Rider
Indeed, I heard as well the Omen has some compatibility issues with some GPUs. I understand it is seems to be connected with the Firmware version of the Omen MB and dimension available to fit the card in
For me, the advantage using the Omen
- it is silent compared to the Razer Core(s)
- it contains a TB3 hub (like the core V1 and V2), all connected to the TB3 single cable as follow
1. Gigabit ethernet 10/100/1000
2. Thunderbolt 31
3. USB 3.1 Type-C
4. 4 x USB 3.1 Type-A
- you can install a SSD hard drive inside - you can even boot from it, or just use it as storage for your games and data and that is a big big plus compared to the Core
- there is room inside the box for a big GPU (330x140x53 for the Omen vs 330x144x43! for the Core v1 and V2)
- the Box is bigger than the Core (all versions) and it is good in case the GPU produces a lot of heat like with RTX cards
PS: I like your ultra-wide 49" screen ! :)
HP accelerator is for someone who has big room;) It take really space from design wise, nice features and price tag, but it has often compatibility issues with parts inside like i/o ports etc, you’ll need keep checking firmware update I believe, at first time it had even issue with their own laptops, HP Spectre when I’m not wrong. So going with same brand setting would be better in terms compatibility.
Concerning card heat and Fans behavior it depends on GPU brand, Asus Turbo 2080ti made my core V2 screaming since max gpu Temperature is 80ish Zotac Mini 1080ti was also not quite but acceptable, but with evga 2080 gaming and 2070 Black, 2070 one even on max OC, gaming temperature or even mining temperature (softminer) on 100% gpu usage never leave unbelievably 60ish, on idle with Blade Stealth I was even schock since the PSU fans is really silent unlike before with other cards. I believe evga use now glass material for rtx series because they know this card will be hotter than pascal series and changed their metal aluminum design.
As expected, but a bit earlier, so I've just sent back my stuff today.
And Razer also annouced the all new blade 15 2019.
So I will trade my laptop to a friend of mine and upgrade to the new top tier with the 2080 integrated...
I think the 1k I've saved through returning the Core and 2080 desktop, will be more or less the amount I need to add, for the upgrade
Another Update on RTX egpu (Core V2) usage, after almost a month using Rtx 2070 Black and happy user, last night it unfortunately it died. Thanks for well known Evga support, got ticket today and ready to ship for replacement.
Here’s my experiences with Rtx cards:
1. October to November, 3 weeks 2080ti, works fine but due build quality (for the price), high temperature and huge bottleneck compared to desktop setting I sold it.
2. November, 2 weeks 2080 Fe, works fine, great build quality (the best on my experience), but due active fans it’s loud on my core v2, returned it.
3. November to December xc 2080 gaming, works fine, quite gpu, but due someone asked it for higher purchasing price and the FPS gain not so huge compared to 2070 on my setting (1440p) i sold it.
4. December till yesterday 2070 Black. Works fine, best performance for value on my setting, quite and really cool gpu (I use always OC mode), never go above 60ish degrees doing anything including long hours softminer (doing it rarely). But first card was DOA and second one, the replacement was not a month, maybe I’m just unlucky or there’s something wrong with Rtx cards on egpu setting.
Conclusion: Get GPU that listed on Support page;) I can’t refund my 2070 though and must use it but I’ll give 3rd chances since it’s my favorite card, but if still unlucky I’ll sell it and get 1080ti (previous setting, over a year without issues) somehow even can’t enjoy new gen gpu features, it’ll last on my setting till next gen 7nm chips out. If still want to get Rtx cards get from somewhere with good support for faster solution and replacement.
Cheers
Hello Joikansai
Impressive test ! didn't you need to upgrade you PSU to power all the cards?
Cheers
D8
Dark-Rider
Hello Joikansai
Impressive test ! didn't you need to upgrade you PSU to power all the cards?
Cheers
D8
No max power consumption on max load even 2080ti is 300 watt, and core v2 can supply up to 375 watt (See
here), and on egpu setting enclosure psu is totally serve for GPU (despite if you add some peripherals on it) unlike desktop that should supply other parts, core v2 can’t supply only Vega 64 unlike core x that has bigger psu.
Ordered my "new" Blade 15 with 2080 now, yesterday at amazon. about 220€ below the official price. So thats fair ;)
Waiting for my new baby again :D
Will try to share some performance tests later on.
woop woop!!! will keep an eye on your next post!
D8
So now I can share the first results!
Starting with new benchmarks, at least from Forza Horizon 4, since I've shared the same here before.
One is with fhd, internal display and setting to high. So similar to the screenshots shared earlier.
And the other is on my external double-fhd screen and extreme settings.
So you can see now the CPU is the bottleneck :D
If you want me to test and share sth with you, just ask for it.
//adding the older screenshots as refference here, too. -> Just for easy view.
l4v4l4mp3
So now I can share the first results!
Starting with new benchmarks, at least from Forza Horizon 4, since I've shared the same here before.
One is with fhd, internal display and setting to high. So similar to the screenshots shared earlier.
And the other is on my external double-fhd screen and extreme settings.
So you can see now the CPU is the bottleneck :D
If you want me to test and share sth with you, just ask for it.
//adding the older screenshots as refference here, too. -> Just for easy view.
Wunderbar!!:smile_:
But unfortunately egpu is lame on high FPS and bottleneck would be less on higher resolution, beside FH4 isn’t great in my experience.
You may want to look at
this, there’re all lame, MacBook is slightly faster because it has unique TB3 architecture that connects directly to cpu without going to pch controller that reduce the performance a bit unlike most laptops with dgpu. If you can’t see the pictures you can use google account to make easy account. Note the last benchmark was from egpu super tweaker, not TB3 egpu he use m2 slot for faster graphics connection and flash the card bios to unlock to bigger power limit cards and it’s really not recommended at all, you’ll loose the guarantee and may mess the device a lot.
Yeah the egpu topic was closed for our discussion already. So I may should open a new thread,which might matching the content and thread titel much more. But I would like to proceed,our earlier started discussion here, too.
//currently working a bit with afterburner and throttlestop to optimize.
///Afterburner often ends in BSOD and Thottlestop wont help, so far
But still great performance