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Paid to Play - Post Relaunch

  • 19 December 2018
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mltan
Been seeing a ton of positive feedback and loads of complaints on Paid to Play.

I realize a lot of the complaints come from demands that we should raise the cap. In short we won't be raising the cap on P2P though we may add new ways of earning Razer Silver.

With that in mind, i doubt we will stop hearing the complaints - what do you guys think? Should we shut down all the free ways of earning Razer Silver and just go back to the standard - buy stuff and get loyalty points (like every other company) or should we continue to find free ways to give loyalty points (and get a ton of complaints?)

What do you guys think?


Please don't remove the P2P program, I'm a loyal user of Razer, I've bought plenty of razer gear and never have been able to get any loyalty points. Bought the Razer Nari on Day 1, no points received with it. I also don't buy games a lot so i don't really earn in that way either. The P2P, the new softminer, and being on the forums is the only viable way for me.
mltan
Been seeing a ton of positive feedback and loads of complaints on Paid to Play.

I realize a lot of the complaints come from demands that we should raise the cap. In short we won't be raising the cap on P2P though we may add new ways of earning Razer Silver.

With that in mind, i doubt we will stop hearing the complaints - what do you guys think? Should we shut down all the free ways of earning Razer Silver and just go back to the standard - buy stuff and get loyalty points (like every other company) or should we continue to find free ways to give loyalty points (and get a ton of complaints?)

What do you guys think?


Free is better! We want the old list back where we can earn zSilver! (CSGO, Fortnite, Minecraft etc.)
mltan
Been seeing a ton of positive feedback and loads of complaints on Paid to Play.

I realize a lot of the complaints come from demands that we should raise the cap. In short we won't be raising the cap on P2P though we may add new ways of earning Razer Silver.

With that in mind, i doubt we will stop hearing the complaints - what do you guys think? Should we shut down all the free ways of earning Razer Silver and just go back to the standard - buy stuff and get loyalty points (like every other company) or should we continue to find free ways to give loyalty points (and get a ton of complaints?)

What do you guys think?


First of all, THANKS FOR BRINGING BACK THE PAID TO PLAY <3
This system used to be giving me some motivation to try out different game and I had found out tons of new game to play !!
Also, I get a chance to win some cool prizes just for playing those games !!

Ain't sure why many complaint here and there, but I have a little concern about the silver system currently...
Is it possible to extend the expiry date to 2 years rather than 1 year ? Its kinda hard to utilize the point with such short expiry date, as I don't usually get much silver other than Paid to Play

Just a little concern, hope it will reach to your consideration.

Thanks once again XD
mltan
We might do that in the future.


Nice! Can't wait for RazerPay launch in SG
mltan
Yes we are considering it and going back to the standard way of just rewarding our customers when they purchase products (like every other company out there). I realize that when there are free ways, it creates a lot of complaints.

You guys nailed cortex on mobile!! Finally something we can explore games that aren't garbage slots!
I would just shut it down, can't really earn anything anymore. I lost 30,000 silver on January 1st and today on February 1st i lost another 30,000. I am sure come March 1st i will lost the last 30,000 i got left. Then earning 50 a day, just does not seem worth it. I think it was fine the way it was before.
Userlevel 7
Sadly, wathever the choice you'll make for P2P, it'll bring complains.
I too was unhappy when i learned that P2P was going to stop the first time.
But i was new to Insider and it took me some time to understand what justified this decision.

I miss the previous P2P system for the silver ratio.
And by this time i thought that having a Razer device plugged to your PC and linked to your account was required to use it, while others had multi accounts and for a minor price of 10 bucks completely ruined what was a great community program.

Like allways, it's easier to complain about something than praise it.
And when you make something with a diligent heart, the tiny part (compare to the whole users/custommers) of people who shows their grief leaves some perpetual scars.

But please, try to be stronger that this grumbling crowd.
You must have statictic proving that P2P is still a success.

It might soung greedy from me but i must admit that without the Zsilvers program, i'd never been able to have all those Razer products.
But thanks to this i also promote this brand to my entourage.

Thanks Razer for the devices that you make, they're durable (not so children tooth proof but nothing seems to be:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye_:) and have a good aspect.
Thanks for the community that you made who allways answer (at least to me) when a problem happens.
And lastly, thanks for your fidelity program that made me want to discover more of your brand.

Hope that i wasn't too much of a pain to read this.
No keep it please
I agree, just shut it down, razer. It seems clear to me that you don't want us to be able to redeem anything from the p2p program with such negligible amount of zsilver. From my perspective, you just change the daily sign in bonus into a "10 minutes of playing the game of our choice" to earn that very same silver. Just admit it, and shut it down. It's fine if you don't want to give us anything, just stop pretending.
shmekermeister
I don't understand the people like you: you don't like it, so let's shut it down for everyone else.
To be clear; I don't use P2P, but I definitely don't want to be shut down anyone because I know that there are lots of people who still use this program.
If you don't like it, just don't use it. Nobody forces you to do so.

No offense, but I genuinely think that people couldn't make use of such negligible amount of zsilver. 50 from playing games of their choice, while we previously get similar amount (40 silver) just by clicking daily reward button while having another program which was P2P, so we had two programs. Now they shut down the login reward, and made it into P2P program. If anything they only make it harder to earn the same thing, which was the daily reward. My problem is that razer is doing this by the pretense of "We want to reward our fans with this program", but at the same time not allowing the program to give anything of significance. I just don't like that idea of false pretense and goodwill, while in fact all I get is an empty hand. I'm sure most people don't use the program as well for the very same reason, they just couldn't get anything out of it. So a question could be raised, "what's the point"?
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Nrman
No offense, but I genuinely think that people couldn't make use of such negligible amount of zsilver.

None taken. It's forum, so it's meant that we discuss this and many other topics :smile_:

Nrman
50 from playing games of their choice, while we previously get similar amount (40 silver) just by clicking daily reward button while having another program which was P2P, so we had two programs. Now they shut down the login reward, and made it into P2P program. If anything they only make it harder to earn the same thing, which was the daily reward. My problem is that razer is doing this by the pretense of "We want to reward our fans with this program", but at the same time not allowing the program to give anything of significance. I just don't like that idea of false pretense and goodwill, while in fact all I get is an empty hand. I'm sure most people don't use the program as well for the very same reason, they just couldn't get anything out of it. So a question could be raised, "what's the point"?


I think that we all should change our mindset: the past P2P was something extraordinery that was too good to be true, while we all took it for granted. I can't find any other example of a successful company that gives their products for free (ok, for playing games, but we all know that you could basically be AFK). To be honest, I think that was just a matter of time when would this program be revoked, because this was nothing but a loss for Razer (yes, there was a marketing thing, but I believe it was alltogether too expensive, specially when you take AFK farmers in consideration).

Like many others said in post before this, Min said multiple times that he is changing P2P program to an auxiliary way for gathering zSilver (along with Softminer), and definitely not the main way anymore.

Was I said when the initial P2P program was shut down? Yes, I was. But I accepted that, and moved on.
There will always be people complaining. In my opinion these free reward things don't work as they cause a lot of trouble. No free ways to earn money no people complaining. I used it a lot and have earned around 150k but still It's better to just go standard and forget all this. You won't lose anything to shut it down.
Just my two cents, I doubt most people will ever clock enough purchases to rack up sufficient zSilver to redeem gears. When someone purchases a set of razer peripherals, they likely aren't gonna purchase any gear as replacement until the existing set break downs (which is like in the next 2 years maybe?)

Right now there's Synapse and Cortex, if they can be combined onto the same platform/program, and only enable users of Razer gear (via Synapse capabilities) to clock zSilver via games, I'd reckon the complaints would drop significantly since I guess the complaints generally come from people who are only trying to farm free stuff.

That way it kinda serves your purpose to develop a more dedicated loyalty program, no?
And just out of context. Hi Min, was present at your speech at SIA on disruption some time back. Dead crowd I must say, but your speech was nonetheless entertaining and inspiring. A little late, but, better late than never
traxed
Just my two cents, I doubt most people will ever clock enough purchases to rack up sufficient zSilver to redeem gears. When someone purchases a set of razer peripherals, they likely aren't gonna purchase any gear as replacement until the existing set break downs (which is like in the next 2 years maybe?)

Right now there's Synapse and Cortex, if they can be combined onto the same platform/program, and only enable users of Razer gear (via Synapse capabilities) to clock zSilver via games, I'd reckon the complaints would drop significantly since I guess the complaints generally come from people who are only trying to farm free stuff.

That way it kinda serves your purpose to develop a more dedicated loyalty program, no?


Maybe the more razer gear you have, the higher your cap?
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mltan
Yes we are considering it and going back to the standard way of just rewarding our customers when they purchase products (like every other company out there). I realize that when there are free ways, it creates a lot of complaints.

The standard way? You mean, we buy products, then register the serial number of the products to our accounts, and we get some loyality points?
PhrostByt
or we can improve the software? does it have to be an all-or-nothing situation or are you just buying into corporate speak? min can do whatever he wants

will you be satisfied if it's improved??? look at synapse 3, it supposed to be software improvement from synapse 2 right, but what happen now, it's even more disappointing for certain people... for now yes it's all or nothing situation until razer come up with something new... you said min can do whatever he wants yet you still complaint the software that he made... and yeah so what if I became razer spoke person, you have problem with that??
mltan
Been seeing a ton of positive feedback and loads of complaints on Paid to Play.

I realize a lot of the complaints come from demands that we should raise the cap. In short we won't be raising the cap on P2P though we may add new ways of earning Razer Silver.

With that in mind, i doubt we will stop hearing the complaints - what do you guys think? Should we shut down all the free ways of earning Razer Silver and just go back to the standard - buy stuff and get loyalty points (like every other company) or should we continue to find free ways to give loyalty points (and get a ton of complaints?)

What do you guys think?

Now, I actually pretty dont care about this free ways ,,How to earn Silvers for free´´ cause its pretty low (only for ppl from Asia is good cause - Mogul arena).
Problem is with Razer Gold
1. After update you reduced the rate at which you earn Silver by 50% (btw. now in some some countries Paypal isn't an option for top-up Razer golds)
2. In Razer gold catalog almost all GOOD games are only for SEA region (E.g. Blizzard games).
So now for ppl from US or EU you must have really big luck on ,,Mogul esports elite´´ or you never really enjoy this Razer gold - silver system.
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mltan
Been seeing a ton of positive feedback and loads of complaints on Paid to Play.

I realize a lot of the complaints come from demands that we should raise the cap. In short we won't be raising the cap on P2P though we may add new ways of earning Razer Silver.

With that in mind, i doubt we will stop hearing the complaints - what do you guys think? Should we shut down all the free ways of earning Razer Silver and just go back to the standard - buy stuff and get loyalty points (like every other company) or should we continue to find free ways to give loyalty points (and get a ton of complaints?)

What do you guys think?

really like how razer is treating their fans, I don't have any complaints for the system, but for those that are looking to abuse the system, just might do. In my opinion, in order to minimize the number of these abuser would be by placing some kind of screening system to determine which account are eligible for the paid to play and which are not. Like detecting a non-razer fans through their registered peripheral on synapse. Hope you finds this useful, thank you very much.
hasimo14
and I'm wondering why are you still in here, your hatred toward razer is beyond reason... you have the right to choose, if it's not good for you then don't bother using any razer software or their product... it's simple like that...
and just like p2p, for you this is just for earning zsilver and miss the point of the program... but yeah do whatever you want mate....

i'll never understand arguments like this. do you accept whatever someone tells you on face value? do you never question anything? perhaps you're from some sort of authoritarian country and it's become habitual pattern of behavior for you? i'm here because i care. i used to be a big fan of razer. someone gave me a mouse/kb as a gift and i ended up buying all types of other junk from them (panthera stick, firefly, kraken). but the direction they've been going is just dismal. it's disappointing to see. they can do better, they just don't want to. when it's time to replace my gear i'll be looking to corsair, their software is much better and they don't pull this type of BS
xCryptik
Buy stuff and get loyalty points = Complaint?
P2P Free loyalty points = Complaint?
What's going on with these people that still complains?! I just couldn't understand. :mad_::mad_:


do we got loyalty point from buying stuff ??
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EarLChieL
do we got loyalty point from buying stuff ??

Yes you can get zsilver from owning Razer hardware look at Rewards tab above, register your hardware and ask staff or moderator per PM on items that has no serials number, I believe it’s by providing them the picture. And thanks for reminding me I almost forget I’m qualified for some already;)
Joikansai
Yes you can get zsilver from owning Razer hardware look at Rewards tab above, register your hardware and ask staff or moderator per PM on items that has no serials number, I believe it’s by providing them the picture. And thanks for reminding me I almost forget I’m qualified for some already;)


AH .. i see .
i thought other loyalty point ..
thx for info ...
Would love to see RazerPay rewarding zSilver for every $x spent.
Userlevel 7
There's actually a small part of me that wants to complain about the smaller Silver daily cap since the larger daily cap was the reason why I played, enjoyed, and pwned other players in a game for a long time but of course I'm grateful for Paid to Play's return. But no matter what, ever since the shutdown of the program before, I'm mad at those who complained about it since the start and I don't get the point of their way of thinking.
If I may ask, what exactly are they complaining about?