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Been seeing a ton of positive feedback and loads of complaints on Paid to Play.



I realize a lot of the complaints come from demands that we should raise the cap. In short we won't be raising the cap on P2P though we may add new ways of earning Razer Silver.



With that in mind, i doubt we will stop hearing the complaints - what do you guys think? Should we shut down all the free ways of earning Razer Silver and just go back to the standard - buy stuff and get loyalty points (like every other company) or should we continue to find free ways to give loyalty points (and get a ton of complaints?)



What do you guys think?
I would just shut it down, can't really earn anything anymore. I lost 30,000 silver on January 1st and today on February 1st i lost another 30,000. I am sure come March 1st i will lost the last 30,000 i got left. Then earning 50 a day, just does not seem worth it. I think it was fine the way it was before.
mltan
Yes we are considering it and going back to the standard way of just rewarding our customers when they purchase products (like every other company out there). I realize that when there are free ways, it creates a lot of complaints.


You guys nailed cortex on mobile!! Finally something we can explore games that aren't garbage slots!
mltan
We might do that in the future.




Nice! Can't wait for RazerPay launch in SG
hasimo14
will you be satisfied if it's improved??? look at synapse 3, it supposed to be software improvement from synapse 2 right, but what happen now, it's even more disappointing for certain people... for now yes it's all or nothing situation until razer come up with something new... you said min can do whatever he wants yet you still complaint the software that he made... and yeah so what if I became razer spoke person, you have problem with that??


yes i do. you think razer is your friend? they're a corporation that cares about profits. they want you to waste your electricity to mine fake coins for fake proprietary points so you can buy plastic crap. the synapse software is bloated and poorly coded, the cortex software is a complete mess (i already explained the problem above), the miner software is a total scam. they're expecting children to waste their electricity/hardware, run up their parent's power bill for some fake points.



if you can't do something right, just don't do it at all. if you want to see some good rewards programs, take a look at dell/alienware or microsoft points. those are done right.



think about this.. why did they cancel P2P in the first place? you really think it's because of negative feedback? every company in the world gets criticism, most can handle it. then they bring it back? at only 100 points (really 50 after this week) that'll expire in a year anyway? it's all lies
mltan
Been seeing a ton of positive feedback and loads of complaints on Paid to Play.



I realize a lot of the complaints come from demands that we should raise the cap. In short we won't be raising the cap on P2P though we may add new ways of earning Razer Silver.



With that in mind, i doubt we will stop hearing the complaints - what do you guys think? Should we shut down all the free ways of earning Razer Silver and just go back to the standard - buy stuff and get loyalty points (like every other company) or should we continue to find free ways to give loyalty points (and get a ton of complaints?)



What do you guys think?




Free is better! We want the old list back where we can earn zSilver! (CSGO, Fortnite, Minecraft etc.)
mltan
Been seeing a ton of positive feedback and loads of complaints on Paid to Play.



I realize a lot of the complaints come from demands that we should raise the cap. In short we won't be raising the cap on P2P though we may add new ways of earning Razer Silver.



With that in mind, i doubt we will stop hearing the complaints - what do you guys think? Should we shut down all the free ways of earning Razer Silver and just go back to the standard - buy stuff and get loyalty points (like every other company) or should we continue to find free ways to give loyalty points (and get a ton of complaints?)



What do you guys think?




Please don't remove the P2P program, I'm a loyal user of Razer, I've bought plenty of razer gear and never have been able to get any loyalty points. Bought the Razer Nari on Day 1, no points received with it. I also don't buy games a lot so i don't really earn in that way either. The P2P, the new softminer, and being on the forums is the only viable way for me.
mltan
We might do that in the future.


A bit offtopic, but are there any plans to bring RazerPay to Europe?
honestly for 100 points a day it's not even worth it. They'll expire before you can use them anyway so it's basically just free data collection for razer. Also, closing Cortex is such a pain.. you try to close it from system tray and there are still 4 different razer services running in task manager. you close one and it opens back up. you close two and they pop back up. you have to close all of them in 5 seconds in order for cortex to stay closed.. ridiculous. it's basically spyware-like behavior. why can't the software just close when the user exits the software?



Also when cortex is running it appears to set lower priority to all my other software and makes My high end computer crawl. How can I disable cortex messing with all my software?
Why not both?
hasimo14
this is the type of complaint that probably min said, if you think razer software is not worth it then uninstall it... done... no more problem...


or we can improve the software? does it have to be an all-or-nothing situation or are you just buying into corporate speak? min can do whatever he wants
PhrostByt
honestly for 100 points a day it's not even worth it. They'll expire before you can use them anyway so it's basically just free data collection for razer. Also, closing Cortex is such a pain.. you try to close it from system tray and there are still 4 different razer services running in task manager. you close one and it opens back up. you close two and they pop back up. you have to close all of them in 5 seconds in order for cortex to stay closed.. ridiculous. it's basically spyware-like behavior. why can't the software just close when the user exits the software?



Also when cortex is running it appears to set lower priority to all my other software and makes My high end computer crawl. How can I disable cortex messing with all my software?


this is the type of complaint that probably min said, if you think razer software is not worth it then uninstall it... done... no more problem...
Gamer866
I would just shut it down, can't really earn anything anymore. I lost 30,000 silver on January 1st and today on February 1st i lost another 30,000. I am sure come March 1st i will lost the last 30,000 i got left. Then earning 50 a day, just does not seem worth it. I think it was fine the way it was before.


Then I suggest you try to use it now like I did.
mltan
Been seeing a ton of positive feedback and loads of complaints on Paid to Play.



I realize a lot of the complaints come from demands that we should raise the cap. In short we won't be raising the cap on P2P though we may add new ways of earning Razer Silver.



With that in mind, i doubt we will stop hearing the complaints - what do you guys think? Should we shut down all the free ways of earning Razer Silver and just go back to the standard - buy stuff and get loyalty points (like every other company) or should we continue to find free ways to give loyalty points (and get a ton of complaints?)



What do you guys think?


Now, I actually pretty dont care about this free ways ,,How to earn Silvers for free´´ cause its pretty low (only for ppl from Asia is good cause - Mogul arena).

Problem is with Razer Gold

1. After update you reduced the rate at which you earn Silver by 50% (btw. now in some some countries Paypal isn't an option for top-up Razer golds)

2. In Razer gold catalog almost all GOOD games are only for SEA region (E.g. Blizzard games).

So now for ppl from US or EU you must have really big luck on ,,Mogul esports elite´´ or you never really enjoy this Razer gold - silver system.
Gibson7
more specifically esports elite part.

i've personally gained so much gear just from the points earned that i don't really need much else.


You're right, i forgot to specify.
Kenserky
Those who share your tought don't understand that this beloved system is dead, P2P isn't the major way to get silvers.

You can't earn almost 1000 a day anymore. Or not so easily with a constant amount daily.



It has been clearly said that the main silver source is now Mogul Arena.

And with good judgement you can even get more that P2P ever allowed you (one week i won 100k).



It's obvious that Razer wants to make silvers as an active reward and not a an automatic gain.

Before you just had to do a few clicks to get yours (open cortex, daily rewards, launch game, exit game).

Now it requires more personnal implication to vote on Mogul, launch P2P on mobile and PC, switch on Softminer (if your GPU has enough power that is) and be active on Insider.




more specifically esports elite part.

i've personally gained so much gear just from the points earned that i don't really need much else.
Nrman
No offense, but I genuinely think that people couldn't make use of such negligible amount of zsilver. 50 from playing games of their choice, while we previously get similar amount (40 silver) just by clicking daily reward button while having another program which was P2P, so we had two programs. Now they shut down the login reward, and made it into P2P program. If anything they only make it harder to earn the same thing, which was the daily reward. My problem is that razer is doing this by the pretense of "We want to reward our fans with this program", but at the same time not allowing the program to give anything of significance. I just don't like that idea of false pretense and goodwill, while in fact all I get is an empty hand. I'm sure most people don't use the program as well for the very same reason, they just couldn't get anything out of it. So a question could be raised, "what's the point"?




Those who share your tought don't understand that this beloved system is dead, P2P isn't the major way to get silvers.

You can't earn almost 1000 a day anymore. Or not so easily with a constant amount daily.



It has been clearly said that the main silver source is now Mogul Arena.

And with good judgement you can even get more that P2P ever allowed you (one week i won 100k).



It's obvious that Razer wants to make silvers as an active reward and not a an automatic gain.

Before you just had to do a few clicks to get yours (open cortex, daily rewards, launch game, exit game).

Now it requires more personnal implication to vote on Mogul, launch P2P on mobile and PC, switch on Softminer (if your GPU has enough power that is) and be active on Insider.
PhrostByt
or we can improve the software? does it have to be an all-or-nothing situation or are you just buying into corporate speak? min can do whatever he wants


will you be satisfied if it's improved??? look at synapse 3, it supposed to be software improvement from synapse 2 right, but what happen now, it's even more disappointing for certain people... for now yes it's all or nothing situation until razer come up with something new... you said min can do whatever he wants yet you still complaint the software that he made... and yeah so what if I became razer spoke person, you have problem with that??
There will always be people complaining. In my opinion these free reward things don't work as they cause a lot of trouble. No free ways to earn money no people complaining. I used it a lot and have earned around 150k but still It's better to just go standard and forget all this. You won't lose anything to shut it down.
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mltan
Been seeing a ton of positive feedback and loads of complaints on Paid to Play.



I realize a lot of the complaints come from demands that we should raise the cap. In short we won't be raising the cap on P2P though we may add new ways of earning Razer Silver.



With that in mind, i doubt we will stop hearing the complaints - what do you guys think? Should we shut down all the free ways of earning Razer Silver and just go back to the standard - buy stuff and get loyalty points (like every other company) or should we continue to find free ways to give loyalty points (and get a ton of complaints?)



What do you guys think?


really like how razer is treating their fans, I don't have any complaints for the system, but for those that are looking to abuse the system, just might do. In my opinion, in order to minimize the number of these abuser would be by placing some kind of screening system to determine which account are eligible for the paid to play and which are not. Like detecting a non-razer fans through their registered peripheral on synapse. Hope you finds this useful, thank you very much.
Kenserky
It might soung greedy from me but i must admit that without the Zsilvers program, i'd never been able to have all those Razer products.


You make it sound like you received a ton of products from the P2P program alone.
Hermanator
Then I suggest you try to use it now like I did.


I just gave up, they had a good thing going. It is a shame cause their products are nice, the war buds i got were comfy.....shame they stopped working not even a year in.
nononononononononono plz keep paid to play!

To all you people who are complaining, STOP IT YOU UNGRATEFUL BA******
hasimo14
and I'm wondering why are you still in here, your hatred toward razer is beyond reason... you have the right to choose, if it's not good for you then don't bother using any razer software or their product... it's simple like that...

and just like p2p, for you this is just for earning zsilver and miss the point of the program... but yeah do whatever you want mate....


i'll never understand arguments like this. do you accept whatever someone tells you on face value? do you never question anything? perhaps you're from some sort of authoritarian country and it's become habitual pattern of behavior for you? i'm here because i care. i used to be a big fan of razer. someone gave me a mouse/kb as a gift and i ended up buying all types of other junk from them (panthera stick, firefly, kraken). but the direction they've been going is just dismal. it's disappointing to see. they can do better, they just don't want to. when it's time to replace my gear i'll be looking to corsair, their software is much better and they don't pull this type of BS
There's actually a small part of me that wants to complain about the smaller Silver daily cap since the larger daily cap was the reason why I played, enjoyed, and pwned other players in a game for a long time but of course I'm grateful for Paid to Play's return. But no matter what, ever since the shutdown of the program before, I'm mad at those who complained about it since the start and I don't get the point of their way of thinking.

If I may ask, what exactly are they complaining about?
xCryptik
Buy stuff and get loyalty points = Complaint?

P2P Free loyalty points = Complaint?

What's going on with these people that still complains?! I just couldn't understand. :mad_::mad_:




do we got loyalty point from buying stuff ??
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