Paid to Play - What's next?

Parth1C
THANK YOU Mltan !!!
I cant thank you enough mltan thank you so much for getting us Payed 2 Play Back
This means so much to me and all THE RAZER FAMILY around the world !
If I ever get to meet you in real life I will shake you had and give you a RAZER high Five :big_grin_:
Or even yet just drop by on my mixer stream and say hi ! I will salute you throw my cam even parse you :big_grin_:

Kind Regards
parth1C.

But I don't understand sry, is paid to play alive again or what? In my Razer Cortex, in Spain, I only have the campaign with Steam to get 500zSilver

cxz93
When i can spend Z Gold on some popular games like LOL, overwatch, CS:GO etc

Depends on where you are in the world, in many regions, you can already use Razer Gold for LOL, Overwatch and CS:GO!

chickenchlorine
If zGold is the only way to earn, it's not paid to play but pay to play.
Also as long as the current expiration system stands, there is a very real threat that the earnings will amount to nothing because of the forced short timespan. I'm looking at loosing thousands in just a few months. Maybe you should rethink the pricing; i'm only interested in games, not hardware - digital keys should not cost as much as peripherals.

As I've mentioned, our pivot for Razer Silver is to reward those who use Razer Gold. That's the main purpose. Other means will be SECONDARY ways of earning Razer Silver.

Again - if it doesn't meet your expectations, there are many others who enjoy it, so just don't participate if you don't like it - and let those who enjoy it continue to.

If zGold is the only way to earn, it's not paid to play but pay to play.
Also as long as the current expiration system stands, there is a very real threat that the earnings will amount to nothing because of the forced short timespan. I'm looking at loosing thousands in just a few months. Maybe you should rethink the pricing; i'm only interested in games, not hardware - digital keys should not cost as much as peripherals.

PAID TO PLAY IS BACK?!

Suggestion:
1. Remove Razer Pay app and introduce Zgold app for mobile and bring over the existing credits in Razerpay to zgold with Razer insider integrated in it.
2. Paid to play made available to those who owned Razer peripherals
3. Make all razer peripherals use one software which is Razer Synapse 3.0
4. Make Zgold available to buy razer peripherals. (I think the pros are more than cons, enlighten me)

mltan
Nous aurons différentes façons de gagner de l'argent mais toutes les méthodes gratuites auront de petites sommes d'argent. Et oui - il n’est pas fait pour vous d’avoir toutes les réalisations de zSilver Insider pour vous offrir un Huntsman gratuit - comme je l’ai dit plus tôt, nous le pivotons de sorte que ceux qui utilisent régulièrement zGold expliquent comment accéder au Huntsman gratuit ( et les moyens libres sont de vous aider à y arriver plus rapidement).

En tout cas, je suis content d'avoir 5 € deAnyway, I'm happy to have 5 € discount on the Razer Store and to leave with a mouse pocket for 1 €

H00dy

One person takes hundreds of thousands of zSilver, while pushing the rest of honest idiots down and out of the roster.
Result of the lack of requirements, during creating a new account.

Love to say Keep it up RAZER, but this time i won't.

Wow that is sad, if people worked as hard as they did at a real job instead of lying and cheating they'd actually be doing quite well in life.

just make it so you have to have at least 2 razer products owned and connected to earn and use zsilver.

mltan
It's been a while since we decided to suspend Paid to Play - and each time I wanted to review it, I would go back to the forum thread - read the posts, and decide that maybe it's not worth doing it.

We started Paid to Play as a way to see how we could get community members who loved Razer, but couldn't afford to buy our gear, a way to grind and earn Razer products and other awesome giveaways. However, while we had good intentions for it, we started getting a lot of complaints, demands and worst of all - death threats to our team and I decided to put a stop to it.

I've thought about how we might bring it back sometime and here are my thoughts:

1. It will be focused more for users of Razer products and services - i.e. it's more to reward our existing customers as opposed to someone looking for a free hand-out.
2. We will probably want to focus on users of Razer zGold - and that will be the MAIN way of earning zSilver - for those who spend on games etc with zGold and earn zSilver.
3. We will still have multiple SECONDARY different ways of earning zSilver - it could be Paid to Play on PC, or on Mobile, or maybe through our partners like Esports Mogul and much more. It will still be possible to grind but there will be multiple different ways instead of just one way.
4. This will no longer be for those who aren't already Razer customers - and using Razer services is going to be the main way to earn zSilver - the other free ways of doing so will be secondary ways.
5. Anytime it gets negative, people demanding stuff, complaining or death threats we'll suspend it again.

Just some thoughts about this - it may or may not come back - but just some of my thoughts on how we might evolve Paid to Play.

My True Opinion.
I love razer products, and the chroma ecosystem. Loved Paid to Play, and was excited to add to my peripherals. Although I only had 30K zsliver before being suspended, I still held onto it, waiting for an update.

My suggestions.
- Paid to Play (Love it), This service should only be for loyal customers who have razer products. Razer should give more points for customers who have more peripherals. (For example, 1 razer product = 400p...2 razer products = 600p, and so on.
- People who actually have razer products, are probably not the people sending death threats. The above suggestion would be perfect!
- Interested in gift cards (amazon, starbucks, best buy.. etc)
- make them link multiple accounts to the razer account, so people arent farming.
-Not interested in Mogul/tournaments, friends and I are busy, and are just casual gamers.
- Not interested in ZGold, only play 1 game at a time and they are AAA titles you guys don't have
- Not interested in daily logins for 40 zSilver or low amounts, it just turns me off, knowing that I am
getting such low amount of points. It just isnt worth my time tbh, and might aswell delete Cortex.
- Not interested in other rewards (i.e. clothing discount,)


-Honestly its the internet and not everyone is going to be happy. So Start banning them peoples/ blocking emails that have death threat like context. Cause I hate how that ruined it for everyone else.

Thanks, and hope to see Paid to Play back for the loyal customers.
Currently enjoing my (ornata, firefly, kraken and deathadder)

SESNut
you didn't actually give me a good reason as to why they need to have zsilver expire anymore since paid to play is gone.
also, use it or don't otherwise tough tiddies is kind of a terrible argument by the way

Expiration of promotional credits is so the provider of the promotion can better plan how the promotion works. When the original rewards catalog came out, prices were very low. When zSilver was opened up to the masses with the very generous Paid to Play, keeping the catalog full from the beginning was hard to do because people who had hoarded points before hand had a leg up. For the promotion to look good, the rewards catalog can't be constantly empty. Because of Paid to Play, the costs in the rewards catalog were reworked. To keep those prices low, Razer needs to make sure they don't get spiked by dormant users who show up with massive points and buy out the catalog. Razer chose to have points expire as their way of combating this. Other options could have been taken, yes. But it would kill 'hype' over the program. Razer thrives on hype, and considers it a badge of honor when their announcements basically DDoS their servers to oblivion.

Again, we don't know what changes are happening right now. They are saying the whole program is in jeopardy because of the entitled attitudes Razer is dealing with because of the program. People demanding that the program work in their own best interest, damn everyone else, to the point of threatening employees of the company running the promotion is the real problem.

@SESNut, your point is that points shouldn't expire as zSilver can only be earned from zGold purchases, and the rewards for that are too overpriced. Yeah, that would be a valid point if it wasn't a straw-man argument. You are making assumptions to something that is currently in flux. We don't know if new was of earning silver are in the works. The information we have is kind of spotty. We are possibly looking at regional rewards catalogs. We are looking at pricing changes.

I'm not saying don't discuss how to make the program better, I'm saying don't demand the program work better for you. If a lot of people are having problems collecting the points to redeem, talk about it. But don't throw a tantrum because others can while you can't. Just understand that the program isn't for the proverbial "YOU" to get free stuff. It's a trade off and Razer holds all the cards. Constructive criticism is criticism that takes all parties into account. If it feels like you are not wanted, but other people are, don't try to burn down the house is all I'm saying. If your reasoning behind thinking a change is warranted uses a pronoun that points to yourself, take a second and reflect on what you really want and make sure it isn't out of selfishness.

I also would like to point out that when I post on forums, I try for a narrative tone and try not to single out a particular person unless the discussion calls for it. Since I both tag and quote @SESNut, I just want to point out I'm not focused on you personally. I don't want you to think I'm singling you out as a problem user, because I honestly don't think you are. Like I said, you have a valid concern for the future of the program. My point is that pointing out potential problems to people tends to bring out trolls, and trolls are the real problem here. No point getting worked up until everything is done and we can accurately gauge what is going on.

PT.Singer
But that is a gift card balance: money for equal money. @ARMOR_152 misspoke when he said that ALL gift cards expire.

Gift cards are not the same as a rewards system, though.

Yeah, a gift card refers to money for a product or services to come later. It's seen as a loan, and has laws protecting them. U.S. federal law prohibits gift cards from expiring for at least 5 years since adding money. Some states prohibit gift cards from expiring at all. That is why a lot of large U.S. companies have gift cards that don't expire.



It seems like the term is regarded here as a dirty word, but zSilver is a promotion to get people to use Razer. It's not tied to any concept of owing you anything outside of the rules of the promotion. You don't put anything in of actual value expecting to get something in return. As much as @mltan hyped the 'Paid to Pay' system up as Razer paying you to play games, he wasn't offering you actual employment expecting to send out W2s or 1099s based on how many hours of RDR2 you logged this month. It was something designed to get you using Razer software with the promise of Razer hardware with the hopes that you'd enjoy everything and pay for more Razer services. The idea was if you were interested enough in them to collect that much zSilver, they'd try to send you out something that represented the value of the time you put in dealing with them that you didn't have to. It's a mutual friendly gesture, not something owed to you.

Right now we don't know what is going on with the zSilver system. We only know that the system is being revamped on Dec. 3, with zGold and MOLpoints merging into Razer Gold and zSilver becoming Razer Silver. It's implied in the FAQ that the rewards catalog for Razer Silver will be different, which means that the new catalog will probably be priced to match how you earn the new Silver format. But the fact is that it's an optional program either way. You don't have to take part in it. If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you. If you don't think the game is fair, don't play.