Hi all,
have found many reports of instability with 64GB of RAM (2x32GB) with memory that officially meets the specifications for Razer Blade laptops - (1.2V DDR4 2933MHz SO-DIMMs).
is anyone actually using 64GB of RAM with their Razer blades? could you say what model you have, and what RAM are you using (specifications, part numbers/URL if possible)?
I think it would help a lot of people who are looking toward going all out and maxxing out their Razer Blades
Thank you
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Userlevel 5
Just a PSA: I've just noticed the Razer Blade 15 Advanced 2020 model has got a new BIOS update that removes XMP support. My guess is they probably remove the 3200MHz function of your RAM. So it's better not to patch it if you've already purchased your upgrade kit.
I guess users like me won't be able to update the BIOS due to this removal.
I guess users like me won't be able to update the BIOS due to this removal.
thanks for the public-service warning!
so it seems they're restricting machines to JEDEC-only timings, with Intel restricting everything to 2933 (makes sense, since on my machine the RAM shipped out by Razer with my laptop is physically 3200MHz but it is running at 2933).
I can only conclude that they are unable to get the machines to run it stably at anything higher than 2933... it's good to know the maximum limit I guess. People who want more than the shipped amount of RAM can stick to cheaper RAM modules ... assuming those work!!! I still do not have any brand/make/model of RAM that I'm "certain" will work without problems...
The 2021 Razer Blades have one model that ships with 32GB, I wonder what RAM Razer uses with that
so it seems they're restricting machines to JEDEC-only timings, with Intel restricting everything to 2933 (makes sense, since on my machine the RAM shipped out by Razer with my laptop is physically 3200MHz but it is running at 2933).
I can only conclude that they are unable to get the machines to run it stably at anything higher than 2933... it's good to know the maximum limit I guess. People who want more than the shipped amount of RAM can stick to cheaper RAM modules ... assuming those work!!! I still do not have any brand/make/model of RAM that I'm "certain" will work without problems...
The 2021 Razer Blades have one model that ships with 32GB, I wonder what RAM Razer uses with that
TurboTacho
Just a PSA: I've just noticed the Razer Blade 15 Advanced 2020 model has got a new BIOS update that removes XMP support. My guess is they probably remove the 3200MHz function of your RAM. So it's better not to patch it if you've already purchased your upgrade kit.
I guess users like me won't be able to update the BIOS due to this removal.
Userlevel 5
It's quite rubbish. And apparently they've quietly removed the 1.08 update and restored the 1.06.
Someone in the forum has fallen victim to it apparently...
Someone in the forum has fallen victim to it apparently...
Userlevel 5
podupuis
Actually, the bios update is still up but the release note has been removed. I'm probably the one that you saw that fall victim to the bios update. I did a few complaints to razer but no luck. Apparently, they have removed the XMP support because some people had a reliable issue with 3200mhz ram. My 2x 16GB 3200mhz CL18 gskills ram work perfectly fine.
** I DID manage to downgrade it back to bios 1.06 but it was a pain in the butt. If you want 3200mhz, DO NOT update your bios to 1.08 **
Sad to hear that, but thankfully you'd found a way to downgrade it back to 1.06.
I've also observed in the past days, Razer Support website silently pulled out the BIOS 1.08 update, and reverted to the 1.06.
TurboTacho
Sad to hear that, but thankfully you'd found a way to downgrade it back to 1.06.
I've also observed in the past days, Razer Support website silently pulled out the BIOS 1.08 update, and reverted to the 1.06.
Yeah. Good thing that they have finally pulled out the bios update. I did multiples complaints to them. This was a dumb decision from razer to even think that they could remove the XMP support without having us complaining.
Sye_The-Vie
@RazerUserNow
Do read my later post.
I don't think we are on the same wavelength re: what I am saying. Per my earlier post I was saying I'd dig up links - here are 2 examples:
see #4:
/razer-17-pro-2020-ram-upgrade-options.64991/
see #14:
/razer-blade-pro-17-2020-ram-issue.59373/
basically the issue is that even RAM that should be running per spec is blue-screening for some reason. since my RBP is itself shipped with 3200MHz capable RAM that is however being run at 2933 (I posted about it here: /3200mhz-ram-for-razer-blades-2020.68344/ ) and the formal specifications listed by Razer mentions 2933 and not 3200, per these links:
https://mysupport.razer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3200
https://mysupport.razer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3201
https://mysupport.razer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3936
there is a genuine question as to the level of support for 3200 RAM
the position you are taking is that "if it meets the specs it'll be fine", what I am saying is that there have been people posting about their experiences with RAM that "meets the specs" and it is not working.
Userlevel 7
I am more interested in reaching the 64GB capacity than the clock speed.
Even I don't want my laptop to go blue when I'm trying to reach the peak capacity or performance etc.
if the performance of the laptop cannot reach the full clock speed as per specs on the RAM~~~ hmmmmmm
Maybe the solution lies within the CPU?
How many insiders or non-insider have attempted replacing the CPU on the Blade?
Even I don't want my laptop to go blue when I'm trying to reach the peak capacity or performance etc.
if the performance of the laptop cannot reach the full clock speed as per specs on the RAM~~~ hmmmmmm
Maybe the solution lies within the CPU?
How many insiders or non-insider have attempted replacing the CPU on the Blade?
Sye_The-Vie
I am more interested in reaching the 64GB capacity than the clock speed
well, that's what I started this thread about, 64GB. I have a different thread about RAM speed, was just responding to your post above where you specified the HyperX memory at 3200MHz, which introduces a second variable to the equation (not just 64GB, but now also 3200MHz instead of the 2933MHz that Razer is "officially" stating their laptops run at).
I don't know of any secondary market for mobile CPUs, I don't think the laptops are designed for CPU changes (are the CPUs even socketed, or are they soldered onto the motherboard?)
So far I've not found anyone who can say "I have a Razer Blade 2020, and I am running 64GB with no problems, and the memory I am using is whatever-brand-and-model"
Hi, thanks for the suggestion - have searched on the Razer subreddit and found a question asking about 64GB and not getting any good replies either
yes I am asking about 2020 Razer blade models - so far nobody has reported successful 64GB usage so not even at the stage of checking model differences.
did not know there was BIOS that would lock to 32GB (!!!), why would they do that?
I don't really care about the memory speed in that if Razer is shipping it at 2933, I am ok with staying at 2933 and not going up to 3200.
what I really want is to find someone who can say "I have 64GB of X brand and Y model and have no problems" - but so far nobody has that, there were a few encouraging posts but they later followed up saying that they started having random crashes, for example.
yes I am asking about 2020 Razer blade models - so far nobody has reported successful 64GB usage so not even at the stage of checking model differences.
did not know there was BIOS that would lock to 32GB (!!!), why would they do that?
I don't really care about the memory speed in that if Razer is shipping it at 2933, I am ok with staying at 2933 and not going up to 3200.
what I really want is to find someone who can say "I have 64GB of X brand and Y model and have no problems" - but so far nobody has that, there were a few encouraging posts but they later followed up saying that they started having random crashes, for example.
Joikansai
You want also to check Razer subreddit, it’s apparently also depends on Bios, if it’s locked to 32gb it won’t work, but on some models bios update unlock xpm access to overclock the speed. Keep in mind there’re also users who report BSOD with new ram, so probably depends also ram brand. Best thing is search for similar model with yours.
Hope that will help, unfortunately I don’t have need for 64 gb ram as I’m only use Blades for gaming and media consumption or my work doesn’t push me to upgrade even to 32gb which I tempted several times due lower ram prices recently.
Edit: forgot to mention on 2020 model with 10gen CPUs, there’s apparently bios update to enable 3200mh speed but as trade off CPU undervolt capability would be lock off due intel security plundervolt if it’s a matter to you.
Userlevel 7
RazerUserNow
did not know there was BIOS that would lock to 32GB (!!!), why would they do that?
I don't really care about the memory speed in that if Razer is shipping it at 2933, I am ok with staying at 2933 and not going up to 3200.
As far I know it’s not bios limitation but hardware, bios only speed. I think I saw blade 2020 max supported ram somewhere maybe Amazon since I didn’t find on Razer website, it stated 64gb when I’m not wrong. And the 10 gen cpu should be able to run it as well, theoretically 64gb should be fine. Yes I remember some 2018 user who needs for doing CAD tried 64gb it works but on some apps it brought BSOD, but again it was on 2018 model with older MoBo and CPU. If I were you I’ll get one from Amazon that has good return policy and if it doesn’t go well just simply return it.
dudepare01
HIDevolution are selling Blade pro 2020's with choices of up to 64 GB ram, but there is a catch...
The ram only runs 2666 MHz....that could be the answer.
https://www.newegg.com/global/qa-en/p/2WC-001W-001G7
Very interesting! Thanks!
Yes, that does suggest there's something about the machine that cannot handle RAM of higher speed when driving 64GB - I mean, they would be in a position to test with different brands much better than "end users" like us, and if they can't sell them with faster RAM, that's really saying something ...
Hi!
You're exactly the type of person I've been trying to find!
Could you identify what RAM you're using - specific brand, name, model/part number? Yours would be the first "known good" 64GB!
I see from your sig it's Kingston, but what exact model/P/N is it, could you say?
(who knows maybe this thread could become a list of all known-good 64GB RAM?)
Don't really need the HWinfo/benchmark info but if you could post it here for everybody it's great too, I'm sure many people would be curious about performance etc.?
BTW have you run your memory/system through passes of memtest86, say? Always stable? You've not had unexplained app crashes/bluescreens?
You're exactly the type of person I've been trying to find!
Could you identify what RAM you're using - specific brand, name, model/part number? Yours would be the first "known good" 64GB!
I see from your sig it's Kingston, but what exact model/P/N is it, could you say?
(who knows maybe this thread could become a list of all known-good 64GB RAM?)
Don't really need the HWinfo/benchmark info but if you could post it here for everybody it's great too, I'm sure many people would be curious about performance etc.?
BTW have you run your memory/system through passes of memtest86, say? Always stable? You've not had unexplained app crashes/bluescreens?
TurboTacho
Hi Threadstarter,
I am currently on a 2020 Blade 15 Advanced model. I actually did manage to get my laptop running at 64GB at 1600MHz (DDR4-3200 equivalent).
I have a link to my CPU-Z in my signature for you reference if needed. If you need additional information, like HWinfo, UserBenchmark, I'd be happy to provide these info.
This is great info, thanks!
OK, one reason why I started this thread itself is that I found an earlier thread about 64GB started by one person, who appears to be using the same RAM as you are:
/razer-17-pro-ram-upgrade-hyperx-impact-3200mhz-xmp-does-work-dont-buy-crucial.63951/page-2
He started the thread happy, saying it worked (while Crucial didn't) but then if you read further, he starts reporting problems (crashes, blue screens). See e.g. post 27.
So, now, sigh, we have one positive and one negative report about Kingston ...
(I am in a country where returns are not easy so I don't really want to "experiment", would like "certainty")
Anyways thanks! You've provided a very useful data point!
OK, one reason why I started this thread itself is that I found an earlier thread about 64GB started by one person, who appears to be using the same RAM as you are:
/razer-17-pro-ram-upgrade-hyperx-impact-3200mhz-xmp-does-work-dont-buy-crucial.63951/page-2
He started the thread happy, saying it worked (while Crucial didn't) but then if you read further, he starts reporting problems (crashes, blue screens). See e.g. post 27.
So, now, sigh, we have one positive and one negative report about Kingston ...
(I am in a country where returns are not easy so I don't really want to "experiment", would like "certainty")
Anyways thanks! You've provided a very useful data point!
TurboTacho
I'm using Kingston HyperX Impact 64GB 3200MHz upgrade kit, consisting of 2x32GB modules. Part number is KHX3200C20S4/32GX, model number HX432S20IBK2/64.
My UserBenchmark: Razer Blade 15 Advanced Model (Early 2020) - RZ09-033 Performance Results - UserBenchmark
My HWinfo:
Performance wise day-to-day wasn't an issue. I've never done a memtest before, never knew how to do it either. But I've never had any crashes or blue screen issues to-date, for now.
For precise step-by-step installation, I did the following when I first received it:
1) Ensure battery is at minimum 80%
2) Update BIOS to 1.04 (from 1.03)
3) Full shutdown the system (not hybrid shutdown)
4) Disconnect AC
5) Open up the cover and replace the RAM modules
6) Close up the cover
7) Connect the AC and power up the system
At this point, the laptop would cycle through reboot cycle for around 45-60 seconds, probably to sync and adjust to the new memory timing and capacity.
Boot into BIOS to verify XMP profile (automatically enabled)
9) Boot into Windows 10
I've heard a lot of mixed responses about XMP working or not, or even RAM upgrades working in the first place. But as for my first-hand experience, I had no issues to it and it's still running strong here.
I hope all these information clarifies.
TurboTacho
I'm using Kingston HyperX Impact 64GB 3200MHz upgrade kit, consisting of 2x32GB modules. Part number is KHX3200C20S4/32GX, model number HX432S20IBK2/64.
My UserBenchmark: Razer Blade 15 Advanced Model (Early 2020) - RZ09-033 Performance Results - UserBenchmark
My HWinfo:
Performance wise day-to-day wasn't an issue. I've never done a memtest before, never knew how to do it either. But I've never had any crashes or blue screen issues to-date, for now.
For precise step-by-step installation, I did the following when I first received it:
1) Ensure battery is at minimum 80%
2) Update BIOS to 1.04 (from 1.03)
3) Full shutdown the system (not hybrid shutdown)
4) Disconnect AC
5) Open up the cover and replace the RAM modules
6) Close up the cover
7) Connect the AC and power up the system
At this point, the laptop would cycle through reboot cycle for around 45-60 seconds, probably to sync and adjust to the new memory timing and capacity.
9) Boot into Windows 10
I've heard a lot of mixed responses about XMP working or not, or even RAM upgrades working in the first place. But as for my first-hand experience, I had no issues to it and it's still running strong here.
I hope all these information clarifies.
Userlevel 5
RazerUserNow
This is great info, thanks!
OK, one reason why I started this thread itself is that I found an earlier thread about 64GB started by one person, who appears to be using the same RAM as you are:
/razer-17-pro-ram-upgrade-hyperx-impact-3200mhz-xmp-does-work-dont-buy-crucial.63951/page-2
He started the thread happy, saying it worked (while Crucial didn't) but then if you read further, he starts reporting problems (crashes, blue screens). See e.g. post 27.
So, now, sigh, we have one positive and one negative report about Kingston ...
(I am in a country where returns are not easy so I don't really want to "experiment", would like "certainty")
Anyways thanks! You've provided a very useful data point!
Yes I've read through the thread, it's akin to starting off a hill and rolling down the slope. However, I believe the instability is most probably caused by applications or incompatible software. I do heard that some games and applications are extremely sensitive to RAM speeds and clock timings, and may result in system instability.
Usually those cases are referred to the developers of the software to fix those problems...
I wouldn't say mine's an experiment but I practically do use it from time to time as this laptop is designated my all-in-one workhouse (gaming, entertainment, work, productivity, etc.). But I'm more than happy to enjoy the thorough upgrades I've gotten for my laptop!
haha! "down the slope" - that's a good way of putting it
I don't think I can agree about what you said about system instability being caused by the apps, though - if I understand modern operating system design correctly, all that any "bad app" can do is to crash themselves, they shouldn't be able to bring the entire system down. A badly written app can only cause the app itself to crash, not freeze the whole system. If the system goes down there is either corruption in the OS software (whether the OS itself, or drivers), or a hardware problem.
I don't think I can agree about what you said about system instability being caused by the apps, though - if I understand modern operating system design correctly, all that any "bad app" can do is to crash themselves, they shouldn't be able to bring the entire system down. A badly written app can only cause the app itself to crash, not freeze the whole system. If the system goes down there is either corruption in the OS software (whether the OS itself, or drivers), or a hardware problem.
TurboTacho
Yes I've read through the thread, it's akin to starting off a hill and rolling down the slope. However, I believe the instability is most probably caused by applications or incompatible software. I do heard that some games and applications are extremely sensitive to RAM speeds and clock timings, and may result in system instability.
Usually those cases are referred to the developers of the software to fix those problems...
I wouldn't say mine's an experiment but I practically do use it from time to time as this laptop is designated my all-in-one workhouse (gaming, entertainment, work, productivity, etc.). But I'm more than happy to enjoy the thorough upgrades I've gotten for my laptop!
landink
No crashes/problems yet. The laptop has been running pretty much nonstop since installing the ram. 💯
Actually scratch that, i have a 2021 Razer Blade 15 Base model and it still looks like XMP is disabled for me, i don't see it anywhere in the v1.0 BIOS.
ugh.
I'm pretty sure it only appears after you have installed compatible ram. I don't think I could see/access XMP in BIOS prior to installing the 64GB HyperX. Currently running v1.0 as well
SOMNIOHM
I tried this recently and have found this unbelievably "crash worthy" I am now at a loss and running my original 16GB Samsung Memory. I am still waiting to find a reliable 64GB upgrade at literally any cost. I wish someone here had the answer.
I am not sure if you mean that you have tried the Crucial or HyperX, but in case you were referring to Crucial: as mentioned in a few posts above the 64GB 3200 MHz HyperX Impact (HX432S20IBK2/64) is working flawlessly at 3200 MHz for me so far (Razer Pro 17, 2021 – Set to Default in BIOS). I've been using this for about one month without any problems/unexpected crashes
Now I am just dying to know what this $360.00 "Approved Premium Option" gets me. I can only assume that this 3rd party company would not be offering/selling new "warrantied" units of such spec, that were not functioning properly and reliably...
Literally my last resort is soon going to be buying another new freaking laptop from RAZER directly spec'd as far as I can from them, but knowing that its just been an irresolvable BIOS holdback the entire time thus utilizing my current 5 month old blade pro 17 here an otherwise depreciated investment as I try to sell it at what will only equate to an obvious loss. (♂️especially for those who MAY read this thread as a smart af, new looking to be buyer)
Literally my last resort is soon going to be buying another new freaking laptop from RAZER directly spec'd as far as I can from them, but knowing that its just been an irresolvable BIOS holdback the entire time thus utilizing my current 5 month old blade pro 17 here an otherwise depreciated investment as I try to sell it at what will only equate to an obvious loss. (♂️especially for those who MAY read this thread as a smart af, new looking to be buyer)
SOMNIOHM
So I am dying to know then how 3rd party companies like "HIDevolution" is modding and selling my mid 2020 Blade Pro 17.3 spec'd to the moon. (I posted this also elsewhere incase those here were not "watching" all related threads, so here..
So has anyone had any success with this? Any further updates? I am still searching for a RELIABLE but still fast (3200Mhz) 64Gb option. I also use this PC for work as some others have stated above, that being said I do not want to d1ck around with spending another 400 dollars only to be installing my next endless migraine!
I also noticed that you can buy these laptops (Pre-Modified) from "HIDevolution".. They literally offer modded units spec'd upto 8TB PCIe SSD and 64GB 2666MHz RAM.. WHAT DO THEY KNOW/DO that we do not!?!? WHY are they only using 2666??? These are all over Newegg for sale, only Newegg does not specify which RAM they are using. They only specify the speed.
I suppose I will now go track down this "HIDevolution" co. and see what the actual F they are using. Please for the love of god someone resolve this!
I look forward to one day here soon seeing that someone has found a solid solution so I can finally have a 64GB upgrade, as this16 just aint cuttn' it for me and Adobe ah hah!
From what I've gathered when trying to research this myself, when it comes to 64 GB RAM upgrades for Razer Blade/Pro, almost just about every option out there seem work unreliably (if at all). But in the few cases where people report (minor?/initial) successes it is very rarely 3200, but usually either 2933 MHz or 2666 MHz. I'm guessing 2666 MHz might be more stable in some regard?
I'm not familiar with HIDevolution so I might be entirely wrong about this, but being a bit of a skeptic, it wouldn't surprise me if this seller simply slams some relatively cheap 64 GB RAM into the laptop, and then sends it off without much checking/guarantee that the system will work reliably.
SOMNIOHM
Now I am just dying to know what this $360.00 "Approved Premium Option" gets me. I can only assume that this 3rd party company would not be offering/selling new "warrantied" units of such spec, that were not functioning properly and reliably...
Literally my last resort is soon going to be buying another new freaking laptop from RAZER directly spec'd as far as I can from them, but knowing that its just been an irresolvable BIOS holdback the entire time thus utilizing my current 5 month old blade pro 17 here an otherwise depreciated investment as I try to sell it at what will only equate to an obvious loss. (♂️especially for those who MAY read this thread as a smart af, new looking to be buyer)
As mentioned I am starting to think that perhaps it might be the case that the "v1.0" BIOS that the early 2021 models are shipped with solves the RAM compatibility issues, at least for Razer Pro 17 (2021) with HyperX/64GB/3200 MHz.
If so, then I would be interested to know if the new v1.0 BIOS could be installed on your 2020 Razer Pro (it wouldn't at all surprise me, as they are close to identical in terms of specs). The problem with testing whether this might work or not is that as far as I can tell Razer haven't added BIOS files for any of the 2021 models yet: http://drivers.razersupport.com//index.php?_m=downloads&_a=view&parentcategoryid=350&nav=0
I'm thinking the same thing. There is no way everyone who is experiencing these problems can relate it all to faulty RAM, let alone the individual not knowing how to install it. There is just no way.
In regards to the BIOS though.. say they do release this, and I were to attempt this.. If I get it wrong or something goes wrong won't it instantly "brick" my PC with no way of going back?
I currently show V1.06 and I highly doubt that RAZER listed incorrect spec of only having V1. I also believe that it is all new, or at least heavily revised.
In regards to the BIOS though.. say they do release this, and I were to attempt this.. If I get it wrong or something goes wrong won't it instantly "brick" my PC with no way of going back?
I currently show V1.06 and I highly doubt that RAZER listed incorrect spec of only having V1. I also believe that it is all new, or at least heavily revised.
SOMNIOHM
I'm thinking the same thing. There is no way everyone who is experiencing these problems can relate it all to faulty RAM, let alone the individual not knowing how to install it. There is just no way.
In regards to the BIOS though.. say they do release this, and I were to attempt this.. If I get it wrong or something goes wrong won't it instantly "brick" my PC with no way of going back?
I currently show V1.06 and I highly doubt that RAZER listed incorrect spec of only having V1. I also believe that it is all new, or at least heavily revised.
Yes, it looks like the BIOS might be new. For comparison:
Userlevel 5
Based on the screenshot above, I believe you're running 3200MHz on XMP 2.0. To reconfirm this, you can try running HWinfo to verify this in the summary.
Razer Blade BIOS differ from model to model, since they do not have a unified system.
Razer Blade BIOS differ from model to model, since they do not have a unified system.
It seems you've already got your answer (yes, it works). I'll just leave another 64GB upgrade success story here.
Upgraded my RB15 Advanced mid-2019 model with:
HyperX Impact 64GB 2666MHz DDR4 CL16 SODIMM (Kit of 2) Laptop Memory
and it's been running just fine. Yes, total overkill, but still tickles my obsessive personality when I type 'systeminfo'.
– Dave
Upgraded my RB15 Advanced mid-2019 model with:
HyperX Impact 64GB 2666MHz DDR4 CL16 SODIMM (Kit of 2) Laptop Memory
and it's been running just fine. Yes, total overkill, but still tickles my obsessive personality when I type 'systeminfo'.
– Dave
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