I present to you Firebat's Blade 15! (144hz)

Discussion in 'Systems' started by Firebat246, May 24, 2018.

  1. misterg36

    misterg36 Active Member

    For temps, stuff is all running too high (imho) at the moment, I think it's intel laptop chips in general.
    You notice it more if you run a GPU and CPU intensive game like Origins, where as Destiny 2 tends to be fine as it's mostly GPU.

    For the power limiting, I think companies are starting to do this on purpose, and to be fair it's *much* better to hit those that thermal throttling, which makes games really choppy.

    Check which mode you are in too, Balanced caps you at around 35w and the boosted lets you get closer to 45w
     
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  2. Josuethegamer

    Josuethegamer New Member

    Me too! You're my Ronaldo on razer insider. I wouldn't get razer blade, even though it's a good choice. I would get a huntsman elite keyboard. The keyboard on the razer blade is kind of jerky.
     
  3. GR8-Ride

    GR8-Ride Member

    I think two things are going on with my latest results....one, I normally run TS to undervolt, and it was late last night, so I wasn't paying close attention when I posted the results, but it appears as though having both XTU and TS running wiped out my undervolt settings.

    Secondly, while the temps were higher than I'd like, it seems that across the board these latest 8th Gen Intel mobile CPUs are tending to run hot everywhere. I think if you have one that's running significantly cooler than anyone else's that you're likely to be the lucky winner of the silicon lottery, rather than the norm.

    I might think about a repaste of my CPU and GPU; maybe I did get a poor paste job from the factory.



    Patrick
     
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  4. misterg36

    misterg36 Active Member

    I'm with you here, I've done a ton of testing as every time I bought a laptop it ran too hot so I returned it.

    It wasn't until I bought an MSI Titan, and found that was getting to early 90c and even 97 on one of the cores - with standard but very loud fans that I realised it's not the laptops. I then returned that as I figured if my gaming laptop had to be undervolted AND full fans regardless of size I may as well get a nice one (and so am waiting for the new blade).

    I've seen all the reviews, for all the laptops I owned and none of them mentioned bad thermals - but I went through 5 laptops from different manufacturers and ALL of them ran far too hot in an air conditioned room (with the zephyrus hitting 107c after 5 mins playing origins!)

    I think it's possible your's is running too hot, but it's more likely they all do that and maybe the review units sent out were all "slightly different" from the customer ones - or even the slightest real world dust increases them enough.

    Find out what other people are really getting - and test on the same thing (ie both on Destiny 2 or both on AC Origins) as the main culpret seems to be when the CPU and GPU are both hit hard - which is why benchmarks, fortnite and PUBG make it look good as they mostly hit the GPU.
     
  5. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    Hi @Firebat246, when you installed your SSD did you manage to clone it? I can clone it and Bios recognize the boot USB (my hdd is toshiba, so it states Toshiba windows boot, kind of) but can’t go further stuck on error display with options F1 F8 and F12 that also won’t go anywhere. Is there any protection again there. I’m too lazy clean install windows and updating installing this and that;) Any help also welcome.
     
  6. Fellas, your temps are all nice and good but I'm more interested in noise.

    Say if I disable 2 cores, limit turbo to 3.5, undervolt it and disable dGPU, do you think I will ever hear the fans while working in excel, word, web browser with 15 tabs etc? I also might switch to Linux for work related tasks.

    For me RB15 should be a professional device with gaming as a bonus, so 60/40 = pro/gamer.

    Also, I propose we always mention the GPU of the blade we're testing, there's a big difference in thermals between 1060 and 1070 RB15 and it might lead to misunderstandings if we compare them.
     
  7. GR8-Ride

    GR8-Ride Member


    So this is my exact use-case, though I'm probably 80 Pro / 20 Gamer. I travel extensively for business (30+ weeks per year), and the Blade allows me to have a system that can entertain me in the hotel room, while still having good battery life and not looking too "gamery" when I'm in customer meetings.

    I run PPT, Word and Excel constantly, and in the office, plugged in or not, the system is effectively silent. I never hear the fans at all, unless something major happens (I was testing Cinebench in the office, which obviously drove the fans up to full....). I also run it with a USB-C dock and an external monitor, and the system is virtually silent.

    For comparison sake, my system is a fully loaded Blade (FHD, 144 Hz, GTX-1070 Max-Q, 32GB RAM, 2TB Samsung 970-Evo).

    By the way, the system is virtually silent running in a completely stock power config (no undervolt, no turbo-disable, etc) on a day to day basis.

    With 10 tabs open in Chrome, MS Edge open with 4 tabs, Outlook, Word and Excel all currently running, my CPU utilization is about 20%, with an average temp across all 6 cores of approximately 43C (office room temp is 24C).



    Patrick
     
  8. mjueh

    mjueh New Member

    I am actually terribly curious of the power limit throttling is due to some arbitrary limit imposed by the firmware or the MOSFET/VRMs overheating?
     
  9. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    It’s unfortunately so, under max load gaming mode it’ll throttle in around 10 second to minimum 45Watt and balanced mode to 35 watt. There’s also other manufacturer that setting similar with that, i think to keep cpu temperatures lower. Though they made max gpu wattage to 80 watt that made better performance on overclocking which is nice, other maxq laptops I think around 60 watt.
     
  10. Firebat246

    Firebat246 Well-Known Member

    The issue it not so much running hot.. as most of them are you're correct. The issue is that any throttling should not occur until a ted thermal point set up by Intel. It is usually around 95-98c. There should be NO power limit throttling prior to those temps. This is a work in progress as I gather data for the Engineers.

    I did a fresh install and have had WAY better results then most of those that go the cloning route. If you were able to get into windows before.. and now you cant?... I would suggest turning off fast boot and/or removing and re-installing the SSD and then try to boot again. That may help your problem.

    I am pretty sure it's not the VRM or Mosfet. This is a power limit put into place via EC/Firmware.
     
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  11. Question -

    In my blade, If i look from a specific angle on the bottom towards the USB/HDMI slots, I can see a visible gap between the case and the side paneling (light passes through). Is this also in yours?

    Wondering if mine needs to be returned or if thats normal?
     
  12. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    I don’t really notice on mine but it’s right there’s a gaps between it, i covered from my universal keyboard cover that always popping out and fall when I’m carrying it. I didn’t have such experience on previous Blade 14. Maybe it’s an improvement for lid closed usage to avoiding monitor touching the hot keyboard area to reduce hotter temperatures than design with no gap. They have also advertisement page with lid being closed, which on previous Blade was an issue.
     
  13. Firebat246

    Firebat246 Well-Known Member

    Are you able to upload a picture at the right angle to show us?
     
  14. Attached is the image of one side. The other side is similar but not as pronounced. Only visible towards the back of the case. The image makes it look worse but is this warranty worthy?

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  15. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member

    You don’t need upload so many same pictures;) Yes I can notice also the gap but it doesn’t bother me, should I? Good to know that though, since it didn’t put attention on that areas at first check, my stealth and MacBook Pro 13 are covered well. Maybe because I opened it once to check inside parts meanwhile other my laptops screw are still tight, not opened yet.
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  16. Firebat246

    Firebat246 Well-Known Member

    Hmm I don't see any kind of gap under mine.. have you contacted support to at least show them that?
     
  17. No do you think it is a build issue?
     
  18. Firebat246

    Firebat246 Well-Known Member

    To me that looks warped.. I would contact support.. if you have any issues please PM me. If they think it's ok... and it doesn't bother you I don't think it will necessarily hurt the Laptop. BUT still reach out to them...
     
  19. Contacted support today to see if its normal or not.
    Waiting to get a response, I wonder if its to do with tightness of screws? Too tight, too loose?
     
  20. Firebat246

    Firebat246 Well-Known Member

    If you mean the screws around the bottom holding the back on then nah that wont make the chassis bend like that.
     
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