The Counterfeit Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Raijin, May 11, 2016.

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  1. Blockmonster57

    Blockmonster57 Active Member

    It's the fish tank of shame: the fishes died last year :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: My non-razer mice go in there
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  2. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    LOL that was the funniest thing I've heard all week.

    Hahah...using an old fish tank as storage space, that is such an Australian thing to do.

    Update: Found yet another counterfeited item - Razer Abyssus

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  3. Lafar

    Lafar Well-Known Member

    How is this counterfeit?
    Minus the price of course. But it has been discontinued...
  4. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Hi Lafar. Thanks for swinging by.

    I was not aware that the Razer Abyssus was discontinued. Before posting, I actually checked and saw that you could still buy them at the online Razer Store. Regardless, I guess whether or not you can counterfeit a discontinued item is another debate in of itself.

    I conjecture that the Abyssus, along with others such as the Hammerhead Pro, DeathAdder, Goliathus, and now the Adaro In-Ear earbuds, are all counterfeited Razer products. This actually seems to be well known in other online forum communities. Besides the price, the fact that it's from China and that they state it's a 'Replica' in the item description are tell-tale signs of a counterfeit product.

    The second easiest method of determining the authenticity of a mouse is to open it up and look at the internals. Authentic Razer mice typically use black circuit boards with the company name "RAZER" printed on them. Replicas will use easily discernible cheaper components.

    Here is a video I found of the Abyssus I described above:

    Hope that clears things up.
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  5. Lafar

    Lafar Well-Known Member

    Ah yes, I forgot to clarify, this version of the Abyssus. The newer one has a different design (and doesn't have a Mirror Edition variant).

    As for the rest, I do agree, this is most likely a counterfeit.
    I'm just trying to play the devil's advocate, and say that not ALL products are counterfeits. But still, buying from an authorized retailer is worth the higher price tag.
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  6. RoastierThanToastier

    RoastierThanToastier Active Member

    Why would there be so many counterfeit Razer items? Why are they even a thing?
  7. planefreshDodgerBlue301

    planefreshDodgerBlue301 Active Member

    the item i see being copied most of the time is the deathadder. so many fakes :slightly_sad:
  8. MochaRaf

    MochaRaf Active Member

    In short, it's all about money. Since the beginning of civilization people have copied other people's work that was successful in order to gain fame and wealth. Most people get "inspired" by idea's and build a similar product, other people who are more concerned with the "wealth" part just cut down all the extra work and try to make exact copies of a product. Razer is a pretty well known company in the gaming world, so those people who counterfeit their products know that their fake versions will be able to sell well by using Razer's established brand name combined with cheap prices. This is pure profit for these guys, as they don't have to put much if any research into a product (they just reverse engineer the Razer one - but just on a basic level to fool the consumer at first glance), and they don't have to worry about dealing with customers when the product breaks (and most likely it will sooner than later). Though they carry other risks (such as the fact that this is illegal in most parts of the world), they are able to reduce some of the biggest cost investments in a company which is Research and Development + customer satisfaction (and most likely they also use cheaper material).

    So to answer your question, it exists because people want to make easy money off of other people's hard work. Besides redirecting money that should be going to Razer through the sales of legit products, these counterfeit groups can also tarnish Razer's brand name for people who fall victim to their counterfeit scheme. I am certain that Razer support gets flooded with complaints from customers who unknowingly purchased a counterfeit product that doesn't function correctly if at all. Sadly, counterfeiting is a practice that will not be disappearing anytime soon since there will always be people who want to make easy money on one side and people who want to save money on the other. The only thing I can recommend is, if you have the option in your region always buy from the official Razer store or an authorized reseller.
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  9. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Yeah no problem, I totally understand. If I got something wrong feel free to point it out guys. I'm just trying to help out, so I would appreciate it if you guys help me help you!

    Razer has a huge following in Asia - hence the Razerstores in Thailand, the Philippines, and Taiwan. Even though they are an American company, they only just opened their first store here in the US this month. They are like gaming 'status items' known for their high prices, so there is money to be made in counterfeiting them. I mean hell, people counterfeit $100 action figures, so why not counterfeit $100 mice and keyboards.

    That makes sense because it's one of their most popular items! I wonder if we will ever see counterfeit Razer Blades. Probably not because they're too complex to fake. Hah, that'll be the day. A fake laptop :laughing:
  10. Pentalobe

    Pentalobe Active Member

    I saw a documentary called Counterfeit Culture. If you're fascinated by this sort of stuff you may find it interesting. It starts with the common consumer goods (bags, sunglasses, etc) from flea markets but also explores pharmaceuticals, auto parts, aviation and military components...

    Also, there was a TV special called Crime Inc: Counterfeit Goods that talks about some pharmaceutical cases in more detail.

    Both shows are on Hulu.

    Sure, there have been fake macbooks and powerbooks forever. "For an extra five yuan they will replace the apple logo with an image of your choice!" There was a bit of a resurgence when chromebooks first became a thing. And some of the loongson laptops are indistinguishable from macbooks at a 10-foot distance.
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  11. Thescondo

    Thescondo New Member

    Minecon Razer.jpg

    This is all over ebay - incredibly rare - selling for $4.99
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  12. smartinsider138

    smartinsider138 Active Member

    Some of these are laughable! :big_grin_: But yeah, I think the best bet is to always buy from authorized retailers or Razer itself. I love the "100% Original! Guaranteed!" Definitely the mark of legitimate products.
  13. DieselLag

    DieselLag Active Member

    I wasnt aware that there were so many fake products out there! its a good thing i only buy from razer on amazon or the razer store ;)
  14. xSirAndrew

    xSirAndrew Member

    Useful thread thanks for it although I only buy from Razer Store (so far) still useful and I'll keep it ready.
  15. Milliardo5

    Milliardo5 Member

    Although this might be a reason, it's not really why there are those who create counterfeit products. The answer is much more basic--it's because there are people who want named products. Counterfeiters usually exist in places where people can't afford the prices of real products. These counterfeiters might be looking for a profit, but then it should also be noted that these same people think they are serving those who cannot afford these products something by offering them products that might look like the real thing. And there is an actual market for it, as someone pointed out in such works as "The Counterfeit Culture." Products that are usually made counterfeit are high-priced products. So you won't be seeing counterfeits of lower-end products anytime soon. This all has to do with the culture that people must have the best, quality products out there, even if only getting its name. So, for instance, a few years ago there was a proliferation of fake Beats headsets. People wanted it, but then its price is too high for most especially in regions like Asia (I live in Asia btw), so those who want it go for the next best thing--get the counterfeit ones. I would somewhat contradict the poster above in saying that such people who buy counterfeit products don't know what they're buying; actually, they do know, and they are willing to pay the amount for such products.

    So, one way to see if a product is counterfeit is by its price. If its price is lower than the original (and it is being passed off as brand new) and it's so cheap that it's too good to be true, be suspicious--most likely it is too good to be true, and is a counterfeit. Counterfeits are also never sold in retail stores, at least not in reputable ones. Malls here where I live will never knowingly have counterfeits sold in stores there, though there are still those who get away with it. Generally though it is safer to buy in malls and reputable stores than in places where cheap knock-offs are being sold. Those who have been to Asia would know these places, which usually are stalls or in open markets where many such items can be seen. I have yet though to see counterfeit Razer products here such as mice or headsets, though fake mouse pads are prevalent since they are "easy" to make--and priced very cheap as well. I have seen one online being sold for as low as the equivalent of $1.00. That's as cheap as a mouse pad can get.
  16. wesdalelio

    wesdalelio Member

    I've seen some pretty crazy fakes on google!
  17. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Hahaha...I'm curious. Did Razer do a small Minecon promotion or something? Wondering about the slight possibility that these are legit.
  18. Thescondo

    Thescondo New Member

    Yes there are legit ones! These were made available at mincon 2011. I purchased one on eBay 1.5 years ago for around $100 - sorry for the late reply. Will add more info tomorrow.
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  19. Thescondo

    Thescondo New Member

    Here is picture of the swag bag from 2011 - from the Internet image.jpeg
  20. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Hey thanks for coming back. Ah! So these are legit. Wow...$100, that's crazy - the mark of a true Razer fan haha. So you are saying that the ones on ebay right now are fake? They're only $5 each. I can buy one and check if you want :)
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