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The Razer Blade Stealth & Razer Core

Discussion in 'Systems' started by technokat, Jan 5, 2016.

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  1. PastelGraywatchsharp937

    PastelGraywatchsharp937 Active Member

  2. Papadunks

    Papadunks Member

    I Have one. But Razer would make great sales because all the lazy gamers who don't want to build a PC (Unlike me), Razer would provide.
     
  3. Ryhart

    Ryhart Active Member

    I wish I could install another hard drive on the core. Would just make it more convenient to store games on it.
     
  4. shinjin

    shinjin Member

    You can always use an external USB 3.0 drive.

    At this point I'm considering canceling my core order though and doing an itx build. Between the cpu bottleneck with the stealth and the pcie x4 connection I think continuing to use an independent rig is the best move. The Dan A4 case has slightly smaller external dimensions then the core so I'll probably wait until that and AMD's Polaris/Nvidia's pascal cards launch.
     
  5. Thunderbolt3 has a transfer speed of 40Gb/s which is close to PCI-E 3.0 x4, yes. That being said, I believe PCI-E 3.0 x4 is more or less equal to PCI-E 1.0 x16 which still isn't a significant bottleneck today. You may see a few FPS lower than if you were using a PCI-E 3.0 x16 connection but it shouldn't be a significant difference in performance.

    There will inevitably be a 5-10% performance hit regardless if you're using the Stealth or the new Blade 14 which comes from the encoding/decoding process that converts the PCI-E data into Thunderbolt3. There's really no way to get around that. That is the reason why ASUS is using dual USB 3.1 (Type-C) ports instead of TB3. It'll still be the same 40Gb/s and apparently PCI-E can be converted to USB 3.1 without that performance hit so I'm interested to see benchmarks comparing the two.

    Not to mention that MSI's dock use a literal PCI-E 3.0 x16 connection so there's absolutely NO performance loss. MSI's dock is bulkier, though. Although, they have been developing a smaller, thinner dock that they've been showing around. I'm interested in that dock. You need to shut down the laptop before switching graphic configurations (or at least that's what you had to do) but it offers no compromises. You'll be getting the 100% performance out of any GPU. Plus you have room for an extra 2.5"/3.5" drive inside the dock which is cool. Not to mention the fact that MSI's new dock will only cost $170............. (looking at you, Razer....)

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  6. kurohyo

    kurohyo Active Member

    hahahaha just picture this, someone buys 2 RBSs just to have the $200 discount on the core!!! XD
     
  7. rajanphull

    rajanphull Member

    razer core looks crazy cool
     
  8. qwertzy

    qwertzy Active Member

    Hmmm I prefer the single cord plugin when using the Stealth/Core
     
  9. I prefer maximum performance but that isn't the point. :) There's a ton of different options for people interested in eGPUs and none of them are perfect
     
  10. Does anyone know if the new Razer Blade along with the Razer Core and an Nvidia Graphics Card would work with Gamestream? Would you be able to use the Gamestream service to stream to the Nvidia Shield Tablet when you have the Razer Core plugged in with a compatible Nvidia Graphics Card?
     
  11. zorn_

    zorn_ Active Member

    This thing looks a hot mess. Not to mention, from this photo it would seem they are doing the type of setup where a mobile GPU is built into a flat docking pad, rather than a standard PCIe slot that can accommodate any GPU. This may seem cool until whatever is built into your dock becomes outdated and can't be upgraded.
     
  12. byteFlirtinteractive386

    byteFlirtinteractive386 Active Member


    should do some research, its a desktop graphics card inside the dock that uses pcie connector to the laptop.
     
  13. zorn_

    zorn_ Active Member

    Couldn't find a link to that specific product in the photo, but it doesn't appear there is room to install a full size GPU in that. Is it sideways or something?
     
  14. WHAT??? How the hell have I never heard of this new GPU enclosure??? I know about last year's BOX which the laptop sits on, but this actually sounds interesting. Any links to it?

    This is the kind of "CANCEL YOUR RAZER CORE" order news.
     
  15. byteFlirtinteractive386

    byteFlirtinteractive386 Active Member

  16. [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Is that better? I never said that MSI's dock was perfect, however from a performance perspective, it does beat the Razer Core. Regardless of how it looks, it's full PCI-E 3.0 x16.
     
  17. Here's a picture of the IO on the new MSI dock:
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    From what I've heard from people, their old dock (the bigger box) was a niche pick but very versatile. A few people were even able to watercool a Titan X within the old dock and overclock it. This thinner dock, while it doesn't have the same space, should still sport a 3.5" drive bay inside the dock for extra storage and it'll still accept full desktop GPUs. Again, not to mention the mind boggling price of $170 for the dock.

    From what I've heard, MSI is dropping the GS30 notebook that debuted with the old dock and are working on a new version of the GS40:
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    For those who don't know, the GS40 is a thin, light 14" notebook with a 6700HQ, 16GB of RAM, a 970m, and a Thunderbolt3/Type-C port. In addition to all of that, it also has a 2.5" internal drive bay for a HDD or SSD along with a M.2 slot for an additional SSD. All in all it's basically the same specs as the new Razer Blade 14 but it only costs $1500.

    MSI is developing a new GS40 that will not have the 970m and will instead be lighter, have a bigger battery, and will be able to dock onto either the new or old MSI dock like the GS30 via PCI-E.
     
  18. zorn_

    zorn_ Active Member

    Gotcha. It didn't look quite that thick from the top down. In the end it will come down to what the performance numbers are. If in the real world, the Core's bandwidth only leads to 5% hit in most titles most of the time, I think that's more than worth it for a better looking product with single cable cleanness.
     
  19. I'd say it depends on the price, as well. If MSI sells the new GS40 with the new dock for lets say $1500, yes, that's within the RBS+Core price point but you won't be stuck trying to force a desktop GPU to try and play nice with a 6500u.
     
  20. Swanka

    Swanka Active Member

    However, you won't be able to comfortably use the laptop's own keyboard for those wanting to save money. There's also no information as to whether or not you can use the laptop's own display. They said in one video that they plan on releasing this this summer, so hopefully some new information comes out soon.
     
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