Advice on (Blade + Core) vs (Stealth + Core)

Discussion in 'Systems' started by NocturnalNight, May 9, 2017.

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  1. NocturnalNight

    NocturnalNight New Member

    Hi there,

    I am planning on buying a Razer Laptop along with the Razer Core. I am thinking about putting a 1070/1080/1080ti in the Core. In terms of external monitors, I will be connecting the Core to a Samsung 65" TV (KS8000) sometimes and sometimes I will connect it to an old 1080p monitor that I have laying around. I have a budget of around $3000 - $3500 max. I think with this budget I will be able to purchase Blade 1TB + Core + 1080ti.

    I'm trying to create a one system for everything basically. I will be multitasking on whatever laptop I buy (Netflix, MS Office, Sketchbook Pro, might even try learning Blender/Maya etc). I think both Razer Blade and Razer Blade Stealth should be suitable for this.

    However, when it comes to gaming I'm not sure which one I should go for. I don't play too many multiplayer games. I mainly play single player games. Currently, I have a lot of older games on my Steam account (Arkham City, Dead Rising 2, Dead Rising 3, Witcher 1, Crysis 1, Valkyria Chronicles and so on). I do want to buy some newer games (Shadow Warrior 2, Ghost Recon Wildlands, Witcher 3, Mafia 3 and so on).

    My dilemma is with respect to gaming.

    Here are my questions with regards to the Stealth + Core:
    (1) If I want to run my older games at 4k/60 fps, can the Stealth + Core + 1070/1080/1080ti achieve this?
    (2) If I want to run newer games at 4k/30 fps, can the Stealth + Core + 1070/1080/1080ti achieve this?
    (3) I'm assuming that 1080ti would be overkill for the stealth and it's dual core CPU. But what about 1080? Is that overkill as well? Should I just buy a 1060/1070 instead with the Stealth?

    Here are my questions with regards to the Blade (2017) + Core:
    (1) Will the Blade just run my older games without the Core (with it's internal 1060) at 4k/60fps?
    (2) Will the Blade just run my older games without the Core (with it's internal 1060) at 1080p/60fps?
    (3) Will the Blade run newer games at 4k/30fps with Core + 1080? If not 1080 then how about the 1080ti?
    (4) Will the Blade run newer games at 4k/60fps with Core + 1080?If not 1080 then how about the 1080ti?

    I've been browing the forums and doing online google searches for the last few days and I haven't gotten enough concrete information. I was hoping that owners of the Blade + Core and Stealth + Core can answer my questions based on their experience so far so that I can finalize my purchase.

    Thanks in advance. If any more information is needed, please let me know.
     
  2. Rilen84

    Rilen84 New Member

    I'm interested since i'd like to do more or less what you intend (i do have a KS7000 and i plan maximus GTX 1060)
     
  3. SodiumMachine

    SodiumMachine Active Member

    Hi Night,
    First if all let me start off by saying buying a 1080ti to put in there is a waste of money. You won't even. Notice the difference between it and the 1080 when using the core. The 1080ti will just bottleneck the system
    With the blades IGPU
    On 1080p High on battlefield 1 you'll around 70fps
    The 1080 will crush the newer games, but it may not even be needed.
    Something to keeps in mind is the is a 10% performance drop over tb3
     
  4. NocturnalNight

    NocturnalNight New Member

    Thanks Sodium.

    So I guess 1080ti is out then. That leaves 1080 + Core. I can't figure out how much difference 1080 + Core would make when connected to a Razer Blade vs Razer Blade Stealth. I know that the Stealth has the Dual Core CPU and Blade has a Quad Core. But in terms of gaming I'm not sure how badly the newer games would be affected and if older games would be affected at all.

    Do you own a Core and a Blade/Stealth by any chance? If you do, can you tell me what you experience so far has been?
     
  5. Armydrifter

    Armydrifter Active Member

    Will you be taking this on trips? And if so, will you do heavy gaming on these trips? If not then with that budget you can get a Stealth and put the rest to build a desktop that can be your main gaming rig! You can build on with no worries on any game with no real bottle neck thanks to the new AMD 1800X being out and cheaper than Intel!
     
  6. NocturnalNight

    NocturnalNight New Member

    Hey Army. I will build a desktop two to three years down the line. I have no place in my current apartment for a desktop and I really want to use my Samsung TV to play games on. Once I move to a bigger place and get a den or something similar, I would like to invest in a PC setup along with multiple monitors (or I can continue to use my Samsung itself).

    Until then, I need something for the next 3 years or so that I can use as a laptop (for general stuff and for creative stuff) and as my main gaming machine as well. The stealth and core seem to be right up my alley. The only thing I'm worried about is spending almost $3000 and not being able to play games that are more than a few months old at max resolution and FPS settings. And I would like the option to play newer games at high presets (ultra preferable due to the kind of TV I have) with at least 30 fps (60 fps would be ideal but I know that I will have to compromise on that sometimes).

    My biggest question is how potent (1) Stealth with 1080 is for gaming (2) Blade with 1080 is for gaming

    And which would be the better investment for the next 3 years.

    Also, I don't really need to play intensive games on the go. When I take trips I usually play 2D games like Bastion, Mark of the Ninja etc and smaller games in general. So I will stick to smaller, less intensive games on the go and play the open world, FPS, TPS etc games when I'm at home and my laptop is docked into the Core. So I'm leaning towards stealth but I'm just worried that it's CPU will not be able to handle a lot of games and will severely handicap me and make me regret my investment.
     
  7. AssembIer

    AssembIer Active Member

    Do you need a new setup now or can you wait to Q4 ? I am asking because the next revision of the Stealth will be available at the end of the year and will most likely be shipped with the 8th gen Intel quad core U-series CPUs. That would make a huge difference in CPU bound games compared to the current Stealth.

    I have to agree with SodiumMachine.. a 1080ti is overkill, if you ask me even the 1080 (for Stealth + Core). In many games (esp. multiplayer) you will not see much difference between 1070/1080/1080ti as the CPU will bottleneck. That might be another story with the next revision of the Stealth.

    The Blade + Core does not really make sense, unless you pack in a 1080ti or Titan XP inside (waste of money). The dedicated 1060 does perform very well, in some titles there might be even no difference between it and a 1080 or even 1080ti inside the Core. NBC did a review of such a setup lately, you can check it out and see for yourself.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Razer...nd-Compatibility-Is-it-Worth-it.213526.0.html
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2017
  8. Armydrifter

    Armydrifter Active Member

    Well first dont hope to be any good if you want to use your tv for FPS as it will have a really bad delay. Second I would get the Razer Blade with at least a 1060 in it and then worry about the core later.
     
  9. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    How do you know it? Do you have a source to share?
     
  10. Armydrifter

    Armydrifter Active Member

    Well logic would seem they would do that to keep up with other laptops.
     
  11. NocturnalNight

    NocturnalNight New Member

    Thanks Assembler. Actually, that was the article that confused me and made me think whether Stealth and 1080 might be worth it instead of just the Blade. Anyway, looks like these are 2 best choices as of this point: Blade with 1060 right now like Army mentioned or wait for a Stealth refresh.

    One last question. Any idea/estimate/prediction on how well the 8th gen CPUs will do? Will they be good enough to keep up with a 1080 or even a 1080ti perhaps? Because I can try waiting and then buy a Stealth + Core + 1080ti. That would be worth the wait. (And If I get impatient I can always just buy the Blade for now itself like Army suggested).


    Thanks for the advice. I am considering whether the Blade might just be the way to go for now. As far as the TV goes, when I bought it, the reviews and benchmarks I had found said that the latency was quite low and gaming lag would not be an issue. I think I will be able to manage 60fps on this TV without noticeable lag. It won't come close to one of those 120hz gaming specific monitors though.
     
  12. Armydrifter

    Armydrifter Active Member

    With my job I do a lot of travel but I wont an up to date desktop and deal with a phone or older laptop for travel over the cost of a laptop with decent performance. I wish I could do both a great desktop and laptop but I am not rich like that. Go with what you want when you want it, just know you will never have the best always unless you are rich. Not long after I built my desktop the 7700k came out then out came the 1080ti.

    If only I had that YouTube money come in, but my channel is not that big yet. But I am Razer sponsored for the first tier, so I have that going for me!!!
     
  13. AssembIer

    AssembIer Active Member

    I do not have any source, it is only speculation based on the previous releases of the Stealth. As the next gen of Intel CPUs for mobile devices will hit the market at the end of this year and Razer was one of the first manufacturers equipping the Stealth with the i7-7500U after it's release last year, it would only make sense.

    We don't even know if the new U-series quad core CPUs are rated at 15W oder 28W TDP, so there is of course a chance that they just put in one of the next dual core CPUs (I7-8500U ??) and that's it. But IF the new quad core chips are suited for ultra portable devices it would perfectly fit into the concept of the Core + Stealth. I think Razer's engineers know that (I hope :smile_:).

    About the performance of those new CPUs, namely the i7-8650U (1.9 GHz base clock) and i5-8250U (1.6 GHz base clock) we have to see.. it all depends on how far the turbo can boost frequencies on multi core workloads. I would say they will be slower than current gen quad core CPUs without HT (such as the i5-7300H) but somewhere between them and the next gen dual cores.
     
  14. SodiumMachine

    SodiumMachine Active Member

    I really don't think that 8th will be out anytime soon. The i7 7 series launched in q1 it will at least be until January next year. I don't think they will put a quad core in there to be honest.
    Honestly @NocturnalNight you could probably get by with just a blade 14 for now. Save the extra money to make that Your desktop in a few years.(insane custom loop?)
    Or you could just buy the Titan x and use this thing.
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...F-u_FSi0cHWqrlZTz9dFPBoCjzvw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
     
  15. NocturnalNight

    NocturnalNight New Member

    Ok guys. Thanks a lot for all your help. Let me figure out what to do based on all the info you've given me.
     
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