Need of the Razer Community to decide !

Discussion in 'Keyboards' started by PhoenixOf77, Oct 28, 2016.

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What do you prefer

  1. Blackwidow Chroma

  2. DeathStalker Chroma

  3. Ornata Chroma

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  1. PhoenixOf77

    PhoenixOf77 New Member

    Hi there guys !

    I want to buy my very first Razer keyboard. I already own mouses and headsets from Razer and now they do some real good stuff but I need you to determine the type of Keyboard that I need.

    In nearly 10 years of PC Gaming I almost only used membrane keyboards. The first time I used a mechanical one it was a real pain in the a..

    The only chiclet i used was on my laptop and I am really sceptical about the long use in gaming condition.

    So the question is : What do YOU think of each type ?

    Are the mechanical too noisy for everyday use ?
    Are the chiclet a good choise for gaming ?
    Did anyone tried the the new Ornata ? Can it be a good choice ?

    Thank you in advance for your answer and have a nice day of gaming !
     
  2. BaccaBoss2

    BaccaBoss2 Active Member

    If you want the ultimate gaming experience but don't want much noise, get the BlackWidow Chroma Stealth, then purchase the mechanical keyboard enhancement kit (the one with the rubber rings) and then install it and BOOM, you have what you are looking for :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
  3. jthoma17

    jthoma17 Active Member

    yeah i'd definitely go for the BW stealth if the noise bugs you. i have one at work & it's fantastic. for home, i replaced my deathstalker this summer bc the chiclets just felt weird for gaming -- i never had any issues with it though. it held up pretty nicely, but in the end i preferred the full mechanical of a BW chroma.

    the ornata definitely intrigues me though, and that might be what fits for you, so hopefully someone who has one can comment on how it's worked for them
     
  4. PhoenixOf77

    PhoenixOf77 New Member

    Thank you two for the quick answer. It seems that there is no Stealth version in Azerty here in the French Razerstore ... If anyone have some info on the Ornata I am definitely interested.
     
  5. gaykob7

    gaykob7 Well-Known Member

    the deathstalker is not the best chiqlet keyboard imo, as the buttons are not as crisp as one would expect

    in that case I would rather get the ornata, I mean the BW is not that different from other mech keyboards so you might not like it
     
  6. PhoenixOf77

    PhoenixOf77 New Member

    I've heard that the Ornata is pretty similar to a mechanical keyboard, the best solution would be to try the 3 for something like a month, it would be awesome ^^
     
  7. Stevie_Eye

    Stevie_Eye Active Member

    I have this set up. It's magical really.
     
  8. The mechanical is noisy, but it's like living in the big city: You get used to it and then the noise disappears. My bf first got an mechanical keyboard, a black widow, and I wanted to throw dirty socks on him everytime he used it.

    Now I have one myself, and boy it was worth it! Now the noise don't bother me at all.
    The silence bothers me more, but thats why we have music!
     
  9. SiNN94

    SiNN94 Active Member

    Some people like the sound of the mechanical switches while some people don't.
    But for a long-term use, I think mechanical keyboard is the best. Since we can change the switch when one of the key broken on mechanical keyboard while membrane one can't.
    If you don't like the sound then as the post above stated, there is stealth edition (can apply o-ring to make the sound even more quiet). My friend has got a BlackWidow Chroma Stealth with o-ring applied, the sound is really quiet, even more quiet then a membrane keyboard I think.
    Can search around websites like Amazon if razerstore for your region doesn't have it.
     
  10. Jenjar

    Jenjar Well-Known Member

    All of them are good. If you want to use Game Intergration with the Chroma workshop on the deathstalker, It doesn't work very well, since they keyboard is built to light up in 3 different sections.Otherwise its a good keyboard, and it feels sturdy and built to last.

    If you don't like the loud mechanical noise, Don't get the Ornata or the Blackwidow. I know the blackwidow is quite loud, But i don't know if the Ornata is as loud or not.
     
  11. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    There's your problem right there. We can't determine what type of keyboard you need, only you can do that. You know yourself more than we do! Tell us more about your needs so we can help you decide.

    What will you use the keyboard for most of the time? Typing vs gaming? How much of a factor is noise? How much desk space do you have? Will you be traveling? Etc.

    I guess the first thing we should do is decide between mechanical vs membrane vs mecha-membrane. Razer offers 1 membrane (DeathStalker), 1 mecha-membrane (Ornata), and a ton of mechanical options (BlackWidow).

    Mechanical is currently the most popular type for gaming. The sound and the tactile bump work together to ensure the user knows they have actuated a key. This stops you from second guessing yourself, making you more accurate. Another obvious advantage is durability. Mechanicals are often rated 50-80 million keystrokes which is likely longer than you will use the keyboard for unless if you are planning to pass it down to your son. If you are worried about sound, there's a Stealth option and you can use o-rings too (my choice). However, it's important to note that many gamers (I'd say a big half) love the clicky sound. In addition, you can perform easy maintenance through regular cleanings. Lastly, mechanical keyboards offer more customization (switch type, keycaps, o-rings etc.)

    Membrane has its own advantages. The board is much slimmer and uses chiclet keys to save space. It weighs less and takes up less desk real estate. Membrane keyboards cost less because they don't require 100+ mechanical switches to build. The DeathStalker is entirely backlit, symbols and all, unlike the mechanical BlackWidows. Furthermore, the low profile keys don't trap/impede your fingers during keypresses so they can supposedly move across the keyboard faster/easier. You can't easily take the DeathStalker apart for cleaning though so it will eventually gunk up (imagine an old laptop keyboard). I think theoretically, chiclet keys are faster than mechanical because the travel and actuation distance is significantly reduced. Gamers still prefer mechanical though interestingly enough.

    Mecha-membrane is kind of in-between both worlds. It offers full backlight illumination. The keys are mid-height so travel is reduced and fingers can move more freely across the board (vs mechanical). The keys also offer that beloved tactile bump that mechanical keyboards are known for. However, the keypresses are quite noisy and as of now there's no Stealth version available. O-rings wont work either. Overall, the Ornata is still mostly a membrane keyboard. A good way to describe it is a membrane keyboard with tactile feel. Some disadvantages of membrane keyboards likely carry over - shorter lifespan, less customization, and harder to clean/maintain.

    I've listed the main advantages and disadvantages for 3 keyboard types above but you might want to do some of your own research too if it's not enough. If you decide on membrane or mecha-membrane then we're done here because Razer only offers one of each. If you decide on mechanical though, we will have more work to do: clicky vs stealth switches, tkl vs fullsize, original vs x.

    Hope that helps for now. Get back to me when you've decided on type and we'll go from there!

    GL HF :thumbsup:
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2016
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  12. FiendRiver666

    FiendRiver666 Active Member

    BlackWidow hands down
     
  13. ONREY_no_id

    ONREY_no_id Member

    Get dat BLACK WIDOW
     
  14. PhoenixOf77

    PhoenixOf77 New Member

    Most of the time it will be for gaming, the noise factor is pretty important but not essential, my desk is 2x1 meter so there is no problem for this. And no travelling is planned.

    My main problem is that when I tried mecha keyboard in the past the touch was too clicky and not smooth enough for me. Maybe the O-ring would be a good solution for that ?

    The Blackwidow Stealth seems a great choice when I see all the response but it is unavailable in my store region and I wanted to buy it with the CES sale ... So maybe I will go for a standard blackwidow chroma with Oring or the deathstalker chroma ...

    Dunno

    Anyway thank you everyone for taking a little of your time to answer me, I really appreciate it ! ;-)
     
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  15. aab010799

    aab010799 Active Member

    So the blackwidow with green keys and then the enhancement kit? I'm in between what to get right now because I really want the tactile feel of the green keys but the noise is a bit obnoxious. I want the sound of the orange keys but with the tactile feel and click of the green keys. However, I wouldn't get the chroma but the regular blackwidow ultimate.
     
  16. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    Hey no problem, it was my pleasure. It depends on what switches the mechanical keyboard you tried out had lol. But I'm assuming it was MX Blue? In that case, perhaps a variant of the BW Stealth is best for you. The only thing I'm worried about is the chance that the keyboard you tried out in the past had MX Brown.

    Quite candidly, o-rings wont help with the clickness of the standard Razer Green switches. This is because the switches are actually designed with an internal slider that shoots downward to produce the click noise. The o-ring will not affect the internal mechanism of the switch. O-rings cancel out the sound the keys make when you bottom-out your key press, but the clicking sound of the switch remains. Orange (Stealth) does not have the clicking sound, but still has a tactile bump feeling.

    I know this sucks because you were deciding to get BW Chroma + o-rings, but I just want you to be well-informed before you decide.

    The mechanical switch with no click and no bump are Cherry MX Red. They are completely smooth and silent, but not one of Razer's current offerings.

    Cherry MX Clear.
     
  17. gaykob7

    gaykob7 Well-Known Member

    actually you can pull out every key on the ornata, so cleaning is pretty easy imo
     
  18. MrBigStuff

    MrBigStuff Member

    I'm probably with the majority when I say I prefer the Blackwidow Chroma,for the switches and the macro keys
     
  19. Psyjin

    Psyjin Well-Known Member

    True JI, but I still think cleaning mechanical switches is easier than the rubber domey thing going on in the Ornata, which dust/grime will probably stick to. The shape, with all the pits and crevices, makes it more difficult too.

    razer-ornata-chroma-gallery-14.png

    But yeah, at least the keycaps are removable. That's definitely a plus. GJ on that Razer.
     
  20. gaykob7

    gaykob7 Well-Known Member

    yeah you will probably need some extra cleaning tools for that
     
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