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Looking for a new Laptop. Have a Few Questions..

Discussion in 'Systems' started by ttaylor, Dec 31, 2017.

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  1. ttaylor

    ttaylor New Member

    Hey Guys,

    MAIN POINTS AT BOTTOM. THE REST IS BACKGROUND AND USAGE INFO.

    So I've had my personal macbook pro (15") for about 5 years now. It's a Mid-2012 and it's been through some stuff. I've spilled a frappacino on it, dropped it a few times, etc. Anyways. The hard drive is starting to click like crazy when operating so I'm just waiting for the day when it won't boot at all. High-Sierra also majorly effed it up. Don't worry I back it up regularly.

    Anyways. I've been eyeing Razer for a long time. As in for almost a year now. I've got a few Razer peripherals and I'm in love with their product line from a design standpoint. However, based on reviews and personal experience, Razer's customer service and assistance is atrocious... And I've seen reviews that say the laptop craps out after a few months.

    I've watched about 100 youtube videos reviewing the Blade and Blade Pro so I figured I'd get some direction from people who've actually purchased the machine and used it regularly. I'm looking at these machines as a desktop alternative because I don't have enough money to afford the kind of desktop I want.

    I would use the machine for 3D Modeling, Rendering, and Gaming. I would do SketchUp modeling primarily, with a little Revit thrown in, and possibly some Autodesk Fusion/Maya/3DS Max thrown in.. Then I would use Lumion for Rendering. And of course I'd play games on it if the mood hit me. I've got my Xboxes and a Switch so I will always go to my consoles for gaming first.

    I'm looking at the Blade as affordability but if I can freelance I could probably justify spending money on the Blade Pro... And the Blade is about the same price as another Macbook. I'm considering a Windows machine because of my software needs.

    So My questions are:

    1. Blade or Blade Pro?

    2. Will it be good for 3D Modeling? A good Macbook alternative?

    3. Will the laptop last? Are the reviews about it breaking all the time really true?


    Thanks,

    T.
     
  2. CiannPT

    CiannPT Active Member

    Will you really need for it to be portable? I'm a big razer fan but when it comes to desktops razer has no good PC.
    If you will only use it as a desktop you should build your own, or get one prebuilt if you get a good deal.
    I've build a PC for 3D rendering using 3Dmax, from Adobe, and it was cheaper than the laptop they where previously using and much faster.

    If you want to get more tips on how to build your own desktop, or anything related to choosing the best PC feel free to ask me.
     
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  3. MaximumBunny

    MaximumBunny Well-Known Member

    1. Either meets your requirements.

    2. Maybe. I know they have heating issues often so I don't know how efficient it would be in a workstation environment with the throttling.

    3. They do break often. The poor cooling is one reason (no, 90c under load on the cpu is not acceptable) and their driver support leaves something to be desired. That's not entirely to blame since they're popular and sell a high volume (more sales = more bad apples = more complaints) particularly thanks to their effective marketing and constant high scores for their review samples, but if you want to invest in something long-lasting it's not going to be a Razer laptop. Hopefully that will change one day though.

    And not sure why you would say a desktop isn't affordable. You can get a decent desktop or laptop for $600 that offers very similar performance to gtx 1060 laptops. Paying $1,200-$1,400 for one and saying you can't afford a desktop is silly. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
     
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  4. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    1. Get Blade 14 first if you’re new to Razer Blade.

    2. I don’t do 3D modeling, I was MacBook user and regretted didn’t know the Blade before. It’s for me not MacBook alternative but MacBook replacement since I’m using mostly windows and the hardware on 14 beats already the expensive MacBook 15 in term my usage as working, gaming and entertainment device.

    3. My first Blade 14, still working fine after I sold to my friends (photographer) for upgrade to 2017 model, the only issue I have after almost 3 years having Blades only windows update. Users who are not satisfied will report their experiences more than satisfied users, because we are busy enjoying the machine. Only get it with minimum 2 years warranty if you could, for safety reason since it’s a gaming laptop. Anf I think you have to be able to knowing your device well after owning it to avoid becoming one of those not satisfied users, like controlling the thermals, monitoring hardware, and testing its performance under RMA time etc, it’s a “sport” laptop not “Luxus” laptop imo.
     
  5. ttaylor

    ttaylor New Member

    So I should've clarified. I use Lumion which is a pretty intensive, or can be, GPU rendering engine. So I would need a computer with a 1080Ti or higher. A laptop would be a segway into a desktop in the future. We got a Maingear machine through work for rendering and modeling and it was about 6k. So suffice it to say the requirements are much higher than your average workstation because of the software needs. That's why I'm looking at the Blade Pro because it would be a desktop replacement. The Blade 14 is about the same price as a new laptop anyways so I'm more interested in it than the Pro.

    The Blade 14 has a 1060 which would work for small freelance projects, if I ever got into large scale renderings and model sizes like I deal with at work then sure I would have to go for a desktop.
     
  6. MaximumBunny

    MaximumBunny Well-Known Member

    Uh..you could probably build your own threadripper + 1080 ti build for about $2500, or go ryzen and fit it in at $1500-ish. Boutique stores sell their brand and support, not necessarily the cost of the parts. Your parts are still warrantied under the manufacturers if you do it yourself.
     
  7. TheGurgeMan7

    TheGurgeMan7 Well-Known Member

    If you are doing hardcore modeling, go with a desktop. Ive had the blade 14 for almost 2 years now, and I am extremely happy with it, but it tends to run VERY hot. I noticed it was at 89C yesterday, so today I finally pulled the plug and bought a desktop, because I love my blade and I dont want to kill it.

    Btw, you can custom make a system with a 1080, an i7 7700k, 16gb ram, 525 gb m.2 ssd, 2 tb hdd, all for ~$1650. It will have almost 2x the performance of the blade and it wont get scalding hot.
     
  8. Razer make some excellent products and I am sure you would be happy with either the Blade or Blade Pro, it may come down to your personal budget rather than performance. I bought mine as an alternative to a Mac and I think it's great and the portability combined with performance are outstanding.

    However customer service when something goes wrong is beyond atrocious! I have needed to wait over 24 hours for a response to any email I send and even then questions have not been answered. The complaint procedure is also non-existent. If you can get an extended warranty I would advise it.

    I would recommend people buy a Blade if that is what they want, but the stories and reputation of customer service are sadly well earned.
     
  9. Mausthemighty

    Mausthemighty Well-Known Member

    I've got a Blade for two weeks now and I love how fast it is. One minor thing is the sound the ventilation makes. When I start a game it starts sucking in air like there's no tomorrow, even for games that aren't that demanding of the Graphics card. The internet connectivity is top notch, I experience no lag with games like Overwatch or HotS.
    But for the rest of my activities it's a fast and awesome machine.
     
  10. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    For Overwatch you can use nvidia wishper mode or changing the setting to max around 70 FPS to decrease the Fans noise, if you play on its internal screen I think you don’t need 100 FPS since it’s only 60Hz Panel. Undervolting is also slightly lower the Fans noise btw.
     
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  11. Mausthemighty

    Mausthemighty Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I've tried it and it's a lot better! It now doesn't sound like a Boeing 747 anymore! :)
     
  12. ttaylor

    ttaylor New Member

    Thanks for the help guys. Regarding the desktop build I have a very specific machine in mind so the budget is something that is just how it's gonna be whenever I get the money. I would get a Blade as a Mac alternative and personal laptop for general use so I think that's helped me decide which one to go for. I've done dozens of PC Part Picker Lists and they keep getting higher haha I'm at about $4500 for a desktop in parts alone right now. At this point if I get a desktop in the future I'm going to just have Maingear or someone build it for me because the price/cost/labor is getting to the point where they're about equal.

    Seriously though, thanks for all the help
     
  13. Pentalobe

    Pentalobe Active Member

    I've sold 2 out of the 3 RBS laptops I've purchased because of bluescreens and hard crashes, my first skylake 12" was never quite right from the day I bought it but right around the 1-year mark it started hard-locking at least 3 or 4 times a week. I still have the 13" and a core V2 with Quadro P2000 in it which is my daily workstation @work as automotive electrical engineer. It gets used hard for Excel, Solidworks, and ECU development (we use 3S Codesys and Windriver)

    The last one was my wife's and all she used it for was basic-ass webbrowsing and hulu in bed. Not a coredump file anywhere to be found when it crashed, which started happening more and more. Ordering a nice lenovo yoga to replace it. She probably saw me playing the latest games on my home laptop (Thinkpad w520) without any lag or hiccups while being older than dirt and having spent the first 5 years of it's life being dragged through hell in a garage/workshop environment.

    Because she has a conscience, we sold hers through an IT recycler (I just stuck mine on Ebay, "as-is")

    So should I trust my 3rd stealth 13" that was supposed to be the replacement for the w520 @work? Between Razer's non-existent support, especially with the SA-00086 fiasco that every other vendor had no trouble fixing, and the early deaths of my first two blades that were only gently used in the home, I'm tempted to dump it (and the core) before it loses too much value and pick up a cheap lenovo or dell tower from best buy, stick in the quadro 2000p from my razer core, and go with that. I have been using an old panasonic toughbook when away from my desk lately, so I hardly need the portability.

    It hasn't had any issues yet save for one bluescreen when I unplugged the core while it was sleeping and then tried to wake it up. It's also only 5 months old, and it seems like IME the real issues don't start until about the 1-year mark.

    See here for an example of support complaints.
    https://insider.razerzone.com/index...gement-engine-critical-firmware-update.29116/
    Dell, Lenovo, and HP had this bug squashed back in November or early December at the latest. All machines are going to have bugs or defects, it is how support takes care of them that is really what matters.

    As for you, honestly the 2014 and 2015 MBP are among the nicest laptops around. Since you're already a machead you could consider picking up a used pro. It will still be a big upgrade coming from the 2012. I had a 2014 13" MBP and it was the finest laptop ever made IMO, too bad OSX has become such a letdown lately (at least, I really am not a fan like I was in the mid-00's running leopard on a hackintosh thinkpad x40 and then 2009 MBA). If you are interested in a PC laptop I recommend getting a professional machine like a Thinkpad/Elitebook/Precision. (I'm a thinkpad fan but you can't go wrong either way). If you really need the GPU horsepower buy a mid-level workstation and shove in a high-powered gamer card. Or a used high-end workstation like an HP Z800, it can run a 1080ti no problem with plenty of power overhead.

    My favorite Razer complaint I've found so far:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-...f=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B01NAYL9H2
    It's like the Alfa Romeo of laptops, LOL. I love my 13" stealth, typing this message on it right now, but they will break your heart for sure.
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2018
  14. ttaylor

    ttaylor New Member

    I purhcased a Blade the other day. I'm going to make sure to get the extended warranty whenever the machine gets here - assuming they ship things on time. I am honestly nervous about the customer service though. They have a Discover branch listed on their purhcasing options but they wouldn't accept it. The chat almost timed out on us because their rep wouldn't respond. Probably not a great sign.. Hence my wanting to get an extended warranty incase the thing dies after a year like everyone claims.
     
  15. Pentalobe

    Pentalobe Active Member

    There are some people here who have razer laptops that are 3 or 4 years old or more. I wonder why they haven't piped up yet. Fingers crossed mine lasts at least that long. I really like it. I can get a new work laptop every 3 years and keep the old one, I hope in 2020 this one is still good enough for me to replace my w520 with.

    I hope Razer takes the hint that they need to put more investment into their CS dept, at least in the US and maybe Europe. (I think it is better in Asia because they are based in that region, but I am in the US).
     
  16. ChiefNieth

    ChiefNieth Active Member

    Hey,
    I do SketchUp modeling professionally! I'm currently working on designing some futurist product ideas for Razer that I'll suggest for them at a later date :)
    Aside from that, SketchUp does not really require a good graphics card. You want a 800+ series. I would personally recommend the Blade 14. 1060 6gb will do literally everything you need. 1080 is only for rendering animations, (5 mins+), and for PUBG and other crappy games that get literally no FPS.
    I have heard a lot of people complaining about Blades breaking, I might be careful there. Might want to look at a competitor. Gaming companys don't always make the best laptops :)
    hope this helps, best of luck picking one out.
     
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