Paid to Play Rant - Oh Great, More Disappointment

Discussion in 'Razer Gold & Silver' started by War77EL, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. War77EL

    War77EL New Member

    First we were hit with the removable of one of the only two ways for Razer enthusiasts to earn zSilver without having to always have to make a purchase (not everyone wants/needs something new on a frequent basis), "Paid2Play".
    Which was removed, reportedly, due to senseless complaints that people had about the program, which only give back to us. Apparently, small domestic shipping fees for reward redemptions is too much to ask of people who only spent time to be eligible to receive said rewards.
    https://insider.razer.com/index.php?threads/about-the-paid-to-play-suspension.30669/

    This being done with no follow-up news or replacement program outside of having to login to designated Razer software every day to earn zSilver.

    Until today.

    So NOW we having the ONLY remaining program by which Razer enthusiasts can earn zSilver, removed!?
    Again, with no replacement means of earning ANYthing.
    YES, Razer has made an announcement of introducing new currencies and, SUPPOSEDLY, new programs to earn these currencies. However, we do not know whether these earning methods are going to directly replace what was snatched away from us previously.

    We shall see... But I'm losing faith at a drastic rate.
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  2. shmekermeister

    shmekermeister Well-Known Member

    You still have Mogul.gg and Insider rewards.

    And there will be a replacement program soon. Our bellowed CEO announced that some new ways to earn zSilver are coming our way (don't know what kind, but some will be based on zGold).
     
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  3. ARMOR_152

    ARMOR_152 Well-Known Member

    Sadly a few greedy entitled people can easily ruin an entire program. Rather than being thankful some people wanted more and more, and most of the forum was complaints. Do other gaming companies have reward programs? No, not really. Razer can close the whole thing whenever they want but people would get mad rather than be appreciative of how much money they saved and exclusive stuff for the time that it was open. Yes, Paid to Play was great but got abused by people with multiple accounts, Mogul is great too but similar problem. I've saved a lot of money from using zGold and the entire zVault to get some stuff and am excited for the upcoming changes next week. It's all good.:thumbsup:
     
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  4. War77EL

    War77EL New Member

    Well aware of the replacements. Even linked the announcement.

    :big_grin_: Well aware of Razer's rights, as I agreed to them in order to participate in any of their programs as well as to have an account here. As a participant and contributor, many of the gaming companies have reward programs. Not all reward programs are going to be identical, as I'm sure you gather. In addition there are some reward programs that aren't made public unless users have an account and sign up for them through specific thread and/or portals (as a means to mitigate abuse). Simply looking forward to a brighter tomorrow for Razer's plans, whenever that specific tomorrow may be. :thumbsup:
     
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  5. mo-iro

    mo-iro Active Member

    That's what they said when p2p system was removed a year ago, mogul isn't a good way to win, once you need luck or be the greatest analist in the world, and for me the worst thing is that in this time they still don't ship to my place
     
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  6. Dekades

    Dekades Community Cowboy Staff Member

    What do you suggest as a solution?

    And do you feel like a rewards program should equally reward those that don't invest their time and money into a brand to those that do? Or should there be more incentive for those that do invest while still leaving those that don't still an opportunity to become invested?

    I'm very curious to know your's and everyone else's thoughts. I'm not questioning anyone, I'm sincerely curious.

    Edit: Moved thread and edited title because click bait and deleted poll for leading.
     
  7. mo-iro

    mo-iro Active Member

    p2p could be fare if users with registered razer stuff win more zsilver than someone who don't, a lot of people suggested that when p2p was a thing. Mogul is even worse, tournaments are region limiteds, so some players can't play then, at least not with a decent ping, bets need luck (because a good team can lost sometimes to "bad" one) or that you really follow competitive scenario on some games what usually players do with one or two games, but sometimes there's no matches that a can say who's gonna win, and I just random bet and usually win nothing. And there's still the problem with they not shipping to a lot of places (the world isn't only nort america and europe) and the problem with prices rising with frequency.
     
  8. .Surf.

    .Surf. Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    The Razer CEO expressed himself about these ways of earning zsilver. It said they would favor those who are mostly devoted to Razer gear and already have some pieces that they use. "Fortune favors the bold." And yes most of the silvers will be based on using zgold.
     
  9. mo-iro

    mo-iro Active Member

    Is cheaper buy what I want than buy zgold, the zsilver and rewards idea was to more people have access to razer stuff, if you have to spend money on it than it has no point
     
  10. shmekermeister

    shmekermeister Well-Known Member

    I think that the mantra "Stuff for those who can't afford" has changed to "Stuff to loyal customers". That's why you will gain more zSilver by using zGold.

    About Mogul.gg: I like that platform, but it has few (at least for me) bad things - tournaments are restricted to SEA (I am from Europe) and voting system is flawed with multiaccount users, the same way that PtP was. If someone could remove multiaccounts, the voting system (Espors Elite) would be much more generous to everyone who tries just a little bit.
     
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  11. .Surf.

    .Surf. Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    If it is cheaper why not just buy it then? The point of zsilver and rewards is to give some people who can't afford, a chance to try out Razer gear and perhaps for some others a way of trying it and make a decision. Remember that Razer is still a company and it has to make profit, and trust me they're not making any by rewarding the devoted, but just by enlarging their vision to buy more and more.
     
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  12. mo-iro

    mo-iro Active Member

    But, if a can't afford something now why they think I can afford some zgold? If they want to give free stuff, make it free and don't cover it with a paid system even if it takes an entire years for a hardcore user get something "cheap", and expand shipping.
     
  13. ChiefNieth

    ChiefNieth Active Member

    Have Synapse monitor time that Razer Products are used (# of keystrokes, etc) and reward based on that. So that people that use Razer products for a long time (a year or to) slowly earn ZSilver to spend on new products once the existing ones break.
     
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  14. .Surf.

    .Surf. Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    Not everyone is broke and can't afford to buy zgold, i know some people who buy games with it. Thing is that they have to get something back from you, while they give you free stuff. It's like everyone says nothing comes for free, really for free. They have to keep users satisfied enough for them to charge zgold on and on.
     
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  15. Killi8n

    Killi8n Well-Known Member

  16. kennethyha

    kennethyha Member

    Here is what i think. I think:
    1. Razer Zgold should be made ability to convert to zsilver or can purchase Razer peripherals and not games only.
    2. Convert mobile Razerpay app to zgold app which includes razer insider inside.
    3. Introduce more ways to earn zsilvers such as using Razer peripherals to play games earn zsilver daily.
    Thank you!
     
  17. LuciousVI

    LuciousVI Member

    i definitely think that the previous ideas of using razer mice and keyboard as verification to stop abusement of the system is a great idea.
    You can add zsilver rewards either via hours of games played like last time or as someone else suggested by ammount of clicks or keystrokes on razer peripherals
     
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  18. War77EL

    War77EL New Member

    ROUND 2!
    HAIL SLYTHERIN of GAMING!
     
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  19. War77EL

    War77EL New Member

    No need for a solution to something that wasn't broken to begin with.
    Furthermore, it is not my place to speak on solutions to issues stemming from internal community abuse of ANY program. This being due to the fact that it is, sadly, up to Razer to strategically solidify security measures in respective regards.
    I only mention "sadly" because it's a shame that we have to deal with & plan around the greed and dishonest practices of others.
    Nevertheless, I can only comment on what related to me directly as a beneficiary of the programs that exist.
    But it looks like I don;t need to provide ideas after all. It looks like Razer is gearing up for round 2 of the GLORY that is, "Paid to Play"! :punch::smirk_cat::ok_hand:

    :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

     
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  20. evilchargerfan

    evilchargerfan Well-Known Member

    so yea, its back. yay?
     
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