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The new Razer Blade - Powerful. Portable. Perfect.

Discussion in 'Systems' started by technokat, Sep 2, 2016.

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  1. According to this video, temperatures of the new blade whilst playing maxed out Overwatch on 1080p equate to around 93°C (~200°F)



    Looks like this thing is gonna be HOT!
     
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  2. Soloduo11x

    Soloduo11x New Member

    The real question is why was this Guy playing with an Xbox controller on a PC FPS? Boy that was painful to watch:slightly_sad:
     
  3. Yes, obviously cell phones are different, but the purpose of the the analogy was solely to highlight the magnitude of the upgrade. Again, as I mentioned in my initial post, I recognize technology changes considerably and rapidly, and I agree that companies can't be frozen in always trying to catch the next thing. But my issue here is not with the technology and the pace of it in itself, but with the product cycling to which such new technology gets bundled and how a company sets customer expectations and purchasing decisions through it. Companies should (and many cases, do so in practice) pick their spots as to what technology upgrades they're going to wait to include in their product release (large overhauls / fundamental changes) versus which ones they won't wait for (i.e. something more incremental).

    Again, as I described in my initial post, the move from 970M to 1060 GPU is not in anyway an incremental upgrade from a gaming perspective; it's 2x as fast and 1.5x as efficient with possible VR capability, so it's disingenuous to argue that it's somehow an incremental upgrade if you're suggesting that (and if you are actually suggesting that, then I'd be happy to sell you my 2016 14" Razer Blade with 970M on a discount equal to whatever price of the GTX 1060 is, since you don't think it's a big deal). My gripe, therefore, is that this is a fundamental change in a gaming laptop that in my view is not appropriate for a same-year "refresh" of a $2,200-2,400 product that just came out 3-4 months ago. This isn't some incremental refresh; it's a gaming overhaul.

    So yes, I have a every right to be frustrated and disappointed with Razer Blade when we're talking about a $2,200-2,400 expenditure on a product that this company then decides to do a major, same-year overhaul for 3-4 months later (to your point about Apple's practices, none of their same-year "refreshes" or "re-releases" of a product were overhauls on this level, and to the extent some of them might be, which I don't believe it is, the same complaint still applies and it is in my view an inconsiderate and frustrating thing to do to consumers). And no, it doesn't matter that all of the rumors have been that Nvidia was releasing it's next-gen 1000 series GPUs soon; what matters is when these computer / gaming companies choose to stuff their laptops with them and their communication to customers about it so customers can make informed purchasing decisions. If we're talking about this kind of fundamental change in a laptop, the company could have (and should have) waited to release their 2016 edition of the 14" Razer Blade until September.
     
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  4. brightcinder

    brightcinder Member

    That's a lotta words, with no valid point aside from the fact you're sore your laptop is now fractionally out of date. Which is indeed a valid point - it kinda sucks for you personally. Just don't try to argue Razer should have done differently.

    Razer put out the 1060 because others were doing so. They had to keep up. When they put out the 970m the mass production date for 1060 wouldn't have been confirmed yet. So they gambled they would get to sell 970s a while. I'll bet they are not happy either - they didn't get much production time off the last "new" Razer. That costs them money, because they can't recoup manufacturing investments.

    As for the perf upgrade for 1060, it does indeed look good. But you're also buying into the hype Nvidia and others have generated to make you want the new edition. Everyone knows you cherrypick the games you demo that show the biggest impovement. The gain on other games will be less, and on most other uses for the system will be nothing at all. So is it better? Absolutely. Is it better enough to warrant all this complaining? No.

    Razer released what they could, when they could. They couldn't go faster. So you seem to be arguing that they owed it to you to go slower. Which is silly, and makes no sense from the point of view of Razer or almost all their customers.

    So, enjoy your still pretty fast laptop. Or sell it and buy the new one if you must...
     
  5. What's invalid about everything I said other than you saying so? If you as a company have had a modus operandi with respect to your product cycles and have set certain expectations, then yes, customers have a right to be pissed at the company for a $2,200-$2,400 product decision for all the reasons I stated above -- just 'cuz something is technically legal to do doesn't make it right or that customers should just "take it" however a company wants to serve something up with no questions asked. A company should very much be aware of how their customers feel with respect to its business decisions and should take their feedback into consideration. I'm sure Razer has its side about how they decided to do what they did, and I would love to hear it, but it is utter nonsense to suggest that I shouldn't voice my concern (or explain where I'm coming from) about its business practices with respect to products customers are shelling out over $2,000 for.

    "Razer released what they could, when they could. They couldn't go faster. So you seem to be arguing that they owed it to you to go slower. Which is silly, and makes no sense from the point of view of Razer or almost all their customers."

    Except, at the least, nearly every customer who bought one between May 2016 to August 2016 would likely disagree with you. Also, not sure what you mean by "they owed it to [me] to go slower" -- I'm not arguing that they should've waited until next year. I argued that, instead of having two releases (i.e. one in May and an unexpected same-year "refresh" in Sept), they could've had just one release with the 2016 edition of their 14" laptop in August so that, at a minimum, the May - August 2016 batch of 14" laptop customers who made a purchasing decision based on product cycle expectations set by the company wouldn't feel gypped out of a ton of value.
     
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  6. Eason85_no_id

    Eason85_no_id Member

    Youch. I'll wait for reviews in October before ordering. The 970 was hot enough, but I don't think razer upgraded the cooling at all for the 1060. Those temps support that.

     
  7. Chriscaeg

    Chriscaeg New Member

    I agree with pretty much everything @brightcinder said. Razer never set a yearly release for their products. And you can assume all you want but sometimes things change. Razer had reasons for releasing both Blades. The 2016 V1 was to keep up to date with their CPUs and to add thunderbolt functionality to support the Core. They even dropped the price of the Blade as well to keep sales going. The 2016 V2 was obviously released to keep to date with their GPUs. You can't expect for Razer to continue selling the 2015 Blade in 2016 for an additional 9 months just to wait for a new GPU. If Razer had control over Intel and NVIDIA's release dates, then that's one thing, but Razer doesn't. A company can't be afraid to push out new products just because they're afraid to upset customers because their product won't be the newest version. Nobody is going to be excited that their current product isn't the newest version. But for companies to continue and for technology to advance, new things have to be made and sold. You have a right to be upset. But it's not Razer's fault. It's not Intel's fault. It's not NVIDIA's fault. You weren't gyped. You knew one day your laptop would be out of date. It just happened sooner than you thought. Razer essentially just released the same exact laptop with a faster GPU for $100 more. You crying on the forums isn't going to change your 970m into a 1060.
     
  8. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    I think the key thing is to realize WHY Razer releases a new laptop.

    In general, a new laptop is released for two reasons - #1, there is a new, important piece of technology and if you don't release, you run the risk of falling behind competitors, and #2, you have an ecosystem of products and need to upgrade something to work within that ecosystem.

    Razer is between a rock and a hard place here. They announced the Razer Core eGPU in early 2016, so they were forced to release a laptop compatible with that product. Also, Skylake was out, so they also had to release a laptop with those CPUs.

    The alternative at that point was to "wait" for Pascal, which had already been delayed and could theoretically have been delayed into 2017. If they waited, they would be selling the 2015 Blade all through 2016, with an outdated CPU, no capability to interface with the Razer Core, and no TB3.

    They would have sold exactly zero of those laptops, as people would (rightfully) complain that they were hopelessly out of date relative to the competition.

    So the release in early 2016 was completely forced - there was no alternative. As a manufacturer, you cannot wait for a new component that MAY arrive sometime in the future, especially one that has a high probability of delays.

    Their late 2016 release was also forced, as well. How quickly you forget the two week period between the Pascal mobile announcement and the Razer Blade refresh, in those two weeks one of the overarching themes was "I will buy (competitor) product because Razer doesn't have Pascal". They couldn't just sit and wait until next year...

    Let me put it this way - you are Razer, around November/December of last year (when the early 2016 Blade was designed and the decision was made to launch). What would YOU have done?
     
  9. Stalkyre

    Stalkyre Member

    Just curious. Are there any tech developments expected in 2017 in laptops? I don't need to buy anything right now. My Dell is perfectly serviceable. Is anything on the horizon for next year in laptop tech worth waiting for?
     
  10. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    Not really.

    The next thing coming will be the second "tock" for Intel, Kaby Lake processors. They will probably be incrementally better, but nothing earth shattering.

    Nothing really on the horizon for GPU/RAM etc. I pulled the trigger with this in mind, and even if Razer refreshes Jan 1 with Kaby Lake processors I won't regret my decision.
     
  11. Stalkyre

    Stalkyre Member

    Thank you for that. One other question. How is the VR tech these days? Exciting stuff or just ok? I remember seeing some interesting stuff from Microsoft in the VR space using the existing environment but the headsets etc look big and bulky.
     
  12. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    I think it's still solidly in the "ok" stage. I see the possibilities, but right now it's still very much early stage. To make a comparison, it's more like a glorified Wii U sports title than playing actual sports
     
  13. AlphatheBeta_xf_rzr

    AlphatheBeta_xf_rzr New Member

    1080p+GTX 1060= Definitely my college laptop
     
  14. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    Should last all 4 years fairly readily, I'd say. Maybe an upgrade year 4.
     
  15. Benjibar

    Benjibar New Member

    Probably because his hands would have burnt using the 93C keyboard
     
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  16. Chriscaeg

    Chriscaeg New Member

    Does anyone know how long it took for the Microsoft Store to carry the Blade 2016 after Razer announced it?
     
  17. reloader-1

    reloader-1 Well-Known Member

    About 1 month/6 weeks if I remember right
     
  18. PrideHeart

    PrideHeart Active Member

    I'm really excited for this one. Like many other I do wonder how it'll perform against other laptops like the ASUS ROG G752VS packing a GTX 1070.
     
  19. Soloduo11x

    Soloduo11x New Member

    Does anyone have the slightest idea as to when Amazon will have these in stock, where I live I still don't have to play sales tax which would save me about $200.
     
  20. Hey_that_guy

    Hey_that_guy New Member

    I am curious about the "VR ready" nature of this laptop. The Gtx 1060 will perform however there aren't enough USB ports to plug in a Oculus Rift?

    2 x USb 3.0
     
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