The Razer Blade Stealth & Razer Core

Discussion in 'Systems' started by technokat, Jan 5, 2016.

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  1. I saw someone who reviewed the laptop said that the Stealth couldn't run LoL at 60fps on high at 1080p...that may be why.
     
  2. The 6500U is about 30 to 40% as fast as the 6700HQ, depending which sort of workload you throw at it. You're looking at a 15 watt CPU vs 45 watt.

    I had the very same thoughts that the dual core 6500U would be bottleneck, and this can be confirmed by looking at the Alienware 13 with 6500U/external GPU. In virtually every benchmark, it was 20 to 30% slower than a quad core with the same GPU.

    If you're looking for a USB-C laptop with a 6700HQ, check out the XPS 15 Late 2015 model, or hold out for the Blade refresh. I went with the Dell as im sure the Blade will be expensive...
     
  3. Oh there's no way in Hell I'd buy a Blade...$2300+ for a laptop who's primary objective is to be plugged into a dock? Nope, I'll pass. I do like the XPS 15...a lot...it's just a bit more expensive than I really want to pay but I'll see what happens with the ASUS ultrabook and MSI's GS40. I'll also be sure to wait for people to try to plug the Core or other eGPU docks into the XPS 15 and GS40 first.
     
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  4. HelldiverL9

    HelldiverL9 Active Member

    Wow... The amount of people who get confused with what the Blade Stealth actually is shocks me.

    To lay it down (like many others have done, but in short):
    • Razer Blade Stealth is an ultrabook. Not a gaming laptop.
    • Razer Core is an external GPU case required to run GPUs to play very intensive games.
    I understand that a lot of people find the Blade Stealth really expensive, but since when has any Ultrabook been cheap? They have all been at the same price with very similar form factors.

    The only "advantage" that Razer offers here is the presence of the external GPU enclosure, the Razer Core. At this rate however, if the Razer Core is going to be very expensive, everyone is really better off with a desktop with gaming capabilities and a normal and cheaper notebook (not Ultrabook) for your mobile solution.
     
  5. I know exactly what the Stealth/Core is and it's almost exactly what I've been looking for. I am barely ever home and I will not build a gaming desktop because it will go to waste. I am looking for something that is as portable as an ultrabook (so less than 5 lbs) but can be attached to a dock to make it more of a gaming monster. Sounds pretty similar to the Stealth's proposition, right? My problem with the Stealth lies in its CPU. I understand why Razer chose the CPU that they did but it will simply just bottleneck every GPU past a 970. That's a real problem since today's mobile cards aren't that far away from desktop cards anymore. Why would I sell my GS70 with a 970m to get the Stealth/Core and put a 970 desktop card in it? I'd spend a lot more money for a ~30% performance boost. I want to put a 980Ti or a Titan X inside the Core but the fact is that the 6500u will not keep up with any flagship GPUs.

    So for people in the same boat as me, what are our options? Wait for the rehashed Razer Blade who's changes will most likely only be a 6700HQ and a TB3/TC connector? Well maybe but you're looking at $2300 for the base Blade if the prices are similar to the 2014 model, $300-500 for the dock, and then the extra money for the GPU. eGPU solutions will already set people back behind the prices for a built desktop but that's just ridiculous. So that should really never be considered a viable option, not for anyone looking to use eGPUs. So what are the other alternatives? You have the XPS 15 since it does have the connector. Sure it's a bit heavier, a bit ticker, and it costs a bit more but you get a 6700HQ, a 960m, 16GB of RAM, and Dell's bezel-less display. Certainly a very viable option if you don't mind spending the $1700.

    Others? ASUS' new ultrabook that they're launching with their GX2 dock is another choice. We don't know much about it other than it has support for up to 32GB of RAM, it has a 6700HQ, it's impressively thin (and ASUS says the CPU doesn't throttle) and it uses two USB Type-C connectors instead of a single one. If ASUS manages to price it around the same $1000 price point as the Stealth, that's big competition. For me, the only thing I'm not a fan of is that you apparently can't use the laptop's screen as a display when using the dock. That's a deal breaker for me but it may change in the future.

    The last notable one is MSI's eGPU solution. They use their large gaming dock 'box' that the GS30 launched with. It's large, ugly, and it didn't really have a great design. However, their new "gaming dock mini" will be much better designed all around. I'm excited for that. However, as I previously mentioned, the new GS40 will be replacing the GS30. The GS40 in its current form is respectively thin/light IMO. It has a 6700HQ, support for up to 32GB of RAM, a 970m, a TB3/TC connector, and it's only $1600. That, in my opinion, is huge. They will re-release a new version of the GS40 with the same 6700HQ but with a slightly bigger battery and no dGPU. It'll have the slot in the back to connect to their docks but it should still have the TB3/TC connector. Depending on the price of that model, that's another huge contender to Razer's Stealth/Core.

    IMO, what Razer should've done was given us more build options than just SSD size and QHD/UHD screens (which are completely useless on that small of a screen, by the way :) ). I would've definitely taken the laptop a little thicker for a 6700HQ option and less battery life. But that's just me. They should've at least given the option to add more than 8GB of RAM, though...that's just pathetic.

    Okay, well my rant's over.
     
  6. PastelGraywatchsharp937

    PastelGraywatchsharp937 Active Member

    Hope this is fixed ASAP. I guess that's why they pushed back the shipping date.
     
  7. Milliecente

    Milliecente New Member

    Don't think so. If anything I just expect they ran out.
     
  8. PastelGraywatchsharp937

    PastelGraywatchsharp937 Active Member

    Ran out because it's a tiered release designed to work out the bugs, perhaps.
     
  9. Just ordered one, and it will be my first razer product. Please don't let me down
     
  10. mdaly001

    mdaly001 Active Member

    I was playing it at 70-80fps no prob with UHD on an external monitor @ 1080p. Whoever that reviewer was had some other issues going on.
     
  11. DragonFire353

    DragonFire353 New Member

    Fret not those who ordered during the ship by Feb 12th period! I just ordered mine Friday and it shipped out today woooot!
     
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  12. haur69

    haur69 New Member

    can someone test the stealth for how many fps it can get on dota 2 reborn 1080p with 4 different type default setting
     
  13. HelldiverL9

    HelldiverL9 Active Member

    Then I think we will have to accept the fact that an Ultrabook cannot be all it is without compromising on battery life, price, or performance at a single time. If they have opted for the full on specs, I think the Blade Stealth would cost even more. Price is a very big factor that will decide the customers for Razer here, as their products are often pricey.

    I'm fully expecting ASUS's total setup to be much more affordable than Razer's, but we will have to wait to see - it seems like a total direct competitor too.

    I read somewhere - can't remember which hands-on it was - that the Razer Blade Stealth can output games to its own display with the Core connected, so I am not too worried about this issue.

    My biggest gripe about the whole Razer Blade Stealth Ultrabook is this: the screen. Yes, 2K or 4K is beautiful, who doesn't know? But let us face this: its too much for a 12" screen. I am very sure that most of the monitors people will output the Blade Stealth to will be a 1080p screen at most. The 2k and 4k screen really damages the battery life; all I can hope for is a 1080p screen along the way. Not to mention the bottleneck that you mentioned brought about by the CPU; the bottleneck will certainly prevent a lot of people from truly gaming in 4k too.
     
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  14. Milioti

    Milioti Member

    min previously said in 60 days. so march 2016 for stealth? core idk.
     
  15. skygunner27

    skygunner27 Active Member

    I have said for a while now, that 2160P is too much for a 12.5" screen. 1440P is also a stretch even with external GPU, especially at max settings for recent first/third person shooters. That's why I opted for the 1440P config. 4K is way too much screen resolution for current tech unless you have Titan X 3-Way SLI.

    I will be pairing my Stealth up with a 980TI, once I get the Razer Core. I already have a serious desktop for getting things done.

    The Razer Blade Stealth a long with the Razer Core is an attractive package. It's hard to ignore. I guess that's why we are all here typing about it...............

    From what I see, a lot of Razer Insider Members play LoL and StarCraft 2 at 1080P. For that type of gaming, the Razer Blade Stealth w/Core will be overkill.
     
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  16. Milioti

    Milioti Member

    Keeping most gaming that is GFX intensive to my desktop. I will rigged up the blade stealth with a quadro k4000 (its lying around in my house) to do work, and also light gaming. Plus using it as a presentation device for clients will make people go wow, the aesthetics will play its part in front of your clients, especially if you are a designer.

    The killer question should be
    How much will the core cost? that will be the make or break factor for this ultrabook meets desktop combo.
     
  17. TrueLightbringer

    TrueLightbringer Active Member

    Then just get the GS40 or XPS 15 then. You keep claiming you want the RBS, but deeper examination into your needs seems to show that you are essentially unhappy about Razer's choice to sell apples when it's an orange that you really want instead.

    Think about it. You want a 6700HQ-tier CPU that won't bottleneck flagship cards, more memory, would be fine with a dGPU (which would introduce heat-induced design issues), are willing to lose battery life (thank you 45w CPU), are okay with increasing its size and gain more weight (as long as it weighs like an "ultrabook so less than 5 pounds", but hey, a Razer Blade 14 and its brethren weighs just over 4 pounds...) and can deal with a possible 700 (1600-999) USD price increase as well.

    Look at all of your current needs/wants. What do they look like in laptop form?

    It seems to me that you don't actually want a true ultrabook like the XPS 13 or the RBS.

    It looks like you really want a 14" thin-and-light notebook that can link to an eGPU that doesn't cost as much as a Razer Blade 14", like the XPS 15 or the GS40.

    Those already sort of exist, and more of those are popping up in the future, as you've noted.

    I agree. A 1080p screen would've been good enough; if anything, they should have gotten a 1080p base and 1440p premium model variant instead of the 4K instead. Hell, it'd have probably sold for 899 USD (!). However, Razer is fighting the other sharks in the water as well with the RBS; a couple of competing ultrabooks have/will have a 4K screen as a premium option.

    Considering Razer's current branding, it would look unkindly upon them should mainstream consumers start questioning why Razer's screens don't match their competitors. Remember, most of these people don't understand the disadvantages of more pixels, just that 4K is the new future standard. Quite a few probably don't game either.

    Plus, once tech advances further, 1080p screens are going to have less and less longevity. For now, they can continue to reuse their 1440p screens for probably the next two to three years worth of RBSes, until 4K has replaced 1080p as the current standard.

    I am willing to accept 1440p/QHD however; Pascal is coming out, and I think it is an acceptable place to stop at for the next few years if we factor in the eGPU. The Dell XPS 13 carries the QHD screen as premium option as well, and at much a higher price. Battery life has been reported to be 6.5 hours at the very least, with numbers going into 7. Nowhere as ridiculous as the Macbooks'/1080p XPS 13s' longevity, of course, which makes me wonder if we could also have had 8-9 hour battery on a 1080p RBS variant. The QHD RBS also matches the QHD XPS 13's actual battery life, as well. Not too shabby, really.

    And here is my shameless plug to vote/express your opinion in my thread. It may or may not help, but heck, at least we tried to let them know.
     
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  18. ermakos

    ermakos New Member

    super thin laptop but really small laptop.. its like a tablet..
     
  19. The problem I really have is that I love Razer. As I'm typing this, I'm typing it on my Blackwidow Chroma. I'm using my Naga Epic Chroma to navigate webpages. My Naga is gliding around on my Firefly. And I'm currently using my Kraken Chroma instead of my speakers. IMO, Razer makes the best gaming peripherals in the world. Every Razer product I have ever bought has been great quality and even better performance. But I have always disagreed with their decisions when it comes to their systems. I've always thought that the Blade and Blade Pro were overpriced for what they offer. That being said, I think Razer's design choices for their systems are 100% spot on. They look great and their build quality is second only to Apple.

    So when the Stealth was unveiled at CES I was really excited because they claimed that it could be an ultrabook by itself and when plugged into the Core, it could handle all of the most powerful desktop cards. But with the 6500u (as demonstrated by the Alienware 13) it won't be able to. And it's disappointing. I have fully accepted that I'm not going to buy the Stealth (unless the benchmarks when the Core come out are really impressive) but I'll keep a look out for their rehashed Blade. It's more money than I want to spend but I may be willing to pay extra for the increased quality and design. It'd be even better if it could be released with a 1080p screen and no dGPU but I doubt that.
     
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    Gladiatorbunny New Member

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