Can't Decide - Razer Blade 15 GTX 1060 or 1070?

Discussion in 'Systems' started by atrac7, Sep 27, 2018.

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  1. atrac7

    atrac7 New Member

    Hi all,

    I'm currently on an XPS 15 9650 (GTX 1050 4gb, Core i7 7700HQ, 16gb ram, 4k model). It's been a great laptop so far, but not sure if I need to have a 4k screen anymore. Gaming on a 1050 also seems to have limitations as lately my games just feel slower than what I'd like from an FPS standpoint.

    I'm debating on getting the Razer Blade 15, but trying to decide if I should go with the 1060 or 1070 model. There seems to be some reports/videos out there where the premium on the 1070 is not THAT much more worth than the 1060. Is it true that the 1060 should be able to manage thermals a bit better, while also slightly being thinner/lighter than the 1070 model?

    Oh, and being the cheaper option doesn't hurt either. Thoughts?
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  2. T21STCPG

    T21STCPG Well-Known Member

    Well if the 1070 is better go for that, but if you want to save money go for the 1060... I would probably go for the 1070 tho,
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  3. Joikansai

    Joikansai Well-Known Member VANGUARD

    The main difference is gpu power consumption 80-90 watt on 1070 and 60-70 watt on 1060 model, higher wattage may bring higher temperatures if you don’t cool it properly. The performance is around 30% better, so if you wanna better gaming experience with 144Hz on AAA titles 1070 is way to go, if you fine with 60Hz, go with 1060. AC adapter on 1060 is also smaller a bit due lower wattage (200v230 Watt), the Laptop it self has no huge difference both over 2Kg under 2,1Kg.
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  4. imReqi

    imReqi Well-Known Member

    You could also just buy a Core X and slap whatever card you want in it. You'll get way better graphic performance and less heat in the laptop by using the external gpu. Fantastic graphics and you don't need to ditch the laptop you love. It just plugs into the Thunderbolt port.

    That being said I have the 1070 cause I game on the road a lot. But in the office, it's always Core X time.

    Just another option to consider.
  5. Sonnyoi

    Sonnyoi Active Member

    if you want the best performance in gaming, go with the 1070, I went with the 1060 cause I have the Razer Core, Plus better battery life! and When I am out away from my main PC this 1060 can run all my games I play with great numbers! Diablo 3 maxed out , SC2 Maxed out, pubg pretty smooth on High, destiy on medium-high pretty smooth. its a trade off pretty much! choose wisely!
  6. misterg36

    misterg36 Active Member

    Obviously this is just my opinion, but....
    Go with the 1070 version if you have the choice, and save money getting a smaller SSD (if you need to) as that is replaceable.

    As these are the qMax versions, you are better off getting the 1070. The thermals will make no difference, as it's the CPU that has issues, not the GPU. Also the "thinness" is just shorter rubber feet rather than chassis changes.

    They are both great cards, but as you can't upgrade them, the 1070 will give you more power in the later years of it's life, and improve the resale value if you sell it.
  7. bizCarrotOrange756

    bizCarrotOrange756 New Member

    GTX 1060 - long lasting battery life, budget, decent performance

    GTX 1070 - desire better performance and gaming quality, better support for future AAA titles

    My opinion: I will save money for gtx 1070 for better gaming performance since the gpu in laptop is non replaceable
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  8. misterg36

    misterg36 Active Member

    Good plan, and the battery will be virtually the same.
    If not gaming, they both use the onboard intel GPU.
    When gaming the difference is likely to be like 4 mins :)
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  9. 1424110910

    1424110910 New Member

    Still the cooling problem!
  10. Sonnyoi

    Sonnyoi Active Member

    Have you replaced thermal paste?
  11. 1424110910

    1424110910 New Member

    Nope! I'm afraid of replacing the thermal paste and opening the back case will break the warranty condition.
  12. Sonnyoi

    Sonnyoi Active Member

    It won’t, it’s really easy. But if you don’t want to self diagnose it, contact Razer support as we can’t really do anything from here.
  13. misterg36

    misterg36 Active Member

    There are 4 things you can do to improve cooling on the Blade:
    1. Undervolting (I recomment Throttlestop as you may need it below) - my cpu core and cache are at -140
    2. Dont use gaming mode - this keeps the cpu at 25w but has very little affect on frame rate
    3. Be aware air needs to come from underneath - so dont cover up the bottom/consider lifting the back a little
    4. Change the Turbo Ratio limits with throttlestop (I use 38,37,36,36,35,34 for 1->6 respectively)
    WIth this, I bearly hit 70c with an eGPU and the highest I've seen is the occasional 90c with some serious games

    Throttlestop stuff:
    • Ok, this looks scary, but hit the button that says FIVR
    • Click CPU Core - tick Unlock adjustable voltage -- > Set offset voltage to -50 (Test and increase in small units)
    • Click CPU Cache - tick Unlock adjustable voltage -- > Set offset voltage to the same as above
    • Look Left at Turbo Ratio Limits (this made a huge difference for me with max temp)
      • try the numbers in 4 above
    • Do this BEFORE changing anything, then again when you are happy with the above.
    • There are two main things to check:
      • The MAX temp your CPU hits
      • How often it hits it (this one is more important - even if max temp goes from just 95 -> 94 max, if it's only there every so often, that is a massive improvement)
    How to Benchmark:
    • Get a spreadsheet that does "conditional formatting" eg excel
    • download HWinfo
    • Run HWinfo --> Sensors only
    • hit the green plus at the bottom to log to a file
    • Play a game that taxes both CPU and GPU -
      • Ubisoft titles are good for this (assassins creed, Far Cry, Ghost Recon) and Subnautica
      • Fortnite and Destiny 2 are bad for this as they dont use much CPU (mostly GPU)
    • play for around 10 mins
    • stop HWinfo recording
    • Open the .csv file in a spreadsheet
    • Look for the Core temp (around column AK) and Thermal throttle
    • Use conditional formatting on these 12 columns
      • Set it to go red > 95 for temp
      • Set it for Red on Yes for thermal throttle
    • Look down the spreadsheet at just how much red there is
    • This should give you a good idea if it's a real problem
    Obviously there are a million other ways to do this, and/or present the data, but this will give you a really simple way to cool the laptop and see if it really is that much of an issue.

    All laptops are hot
    I went through 6 other laptops before the blade, and ALL of them needed undervolting - with most of them still being in the high 90s with undervolting!!!!

    The Blade has been the best so far (though I thing resticting the power, undervolting and turbo modes make the most difference)
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  14. atrac7

    atrac7 New Member

    Thanks for all the input guys. After thinking about it for awhile and reading your replies, I've gone with the 1070 max q/512 gb.

    Machine came in today and I am already in love! I thought I would miss the 4k screen on my old xps, but the 144 refresh rate is just fantastic in day to day use. I am still downloading all my games, so haven't tried any gaming yet, but so far this thing is a beast. LOVE it.
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  15. Sonnyoi

    Sonnyoi Active Member

  16. atrac7

    atrac7 New Member

    ^^yup, woohoo is right!

    quick it worth installing nvidia's GeForce experience for the latest drivers? It seems like the drivers on the Razer support page for the blade seem quite dated (i.e from June). Is it recommended to go with the OEM support page drivers, and disregard Nvidia latest ?
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  17. Sonnyoi

    Sonnyoi Active Member

    update it all! I would recommend letting windows 10 fully updating then start from there.
  18. misterg36

    misterg36 Active Member

    So yes, but be aware Optimus can be a total pain in the arse ;) so -
    • as Sonnyoi said, update windows 10 completely,
    • then install either the newest drivers or GForce experience + drivers

    If everything works great, don't give it a second thought..
    but if you get stuttering, micro or major - the issue is Optimus.

    On power, it's worth using this:
    which forces the Nvidia GPU to be used all the time

    If after updating Nvidia drivers you see issues:
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