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Razer Blade Stealth for hacking?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Hypocritical, Jan 15, 2017.

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  1. HypocriticalIdiot

    HypocriticalIdiot Active Member

    I've searched the web for this but I can't find anything super useful.

    I am a programmer who is on a tight budget (around £1000) but i can go a bit over (not enough for razer blade 14 unfortunately) who also likes to do some gaming.

    Now I know the razer blade stealth is more than good enough for programming since you don't really need much for programming. However since it has a dual core I am wondering if it would be good enough to run virtual machines (Kali Linux and metasploitable etc).

    Or whether I should wait another year or so to save up for the blade 14 (I don't exactly have a stable job since i go to school)

    Thanks in advance
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2017
  2. Predator5

    Predator5 Well-Known Member

    Well for £100, I doubt you can get a high-end mechanical keyboard, so a laptop, especially one like a Blade is nowhere near that budget. You've maybe forgot to add a 0 ;)

    Also, hacking isn't really same as programing.

    This is what hacking looks like.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2017
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  3. HypocriticalIdiot

    HypocriticalIdiot Active Member

    I really should proof read better

    and yes I know it's different but I program and hack (and other things as well)
  4. Vexasoe

    Vexasoe New Member

    You might be better off considering other Brands. With $1000 I suggest you find a laptop with good Graphic Card and Core i7. I'm studying Programming with Design and currently uses Lenovo Y50-70 and it works well.

    You might want to ask your professor for some help on laptop too!

    PS: I don't know if i'm allow to "promote" other brands here. Sorry if i violate the rules~
  5. softybear

    softybear Member

    It's great, it's amazing, but not so great at the same time. For example, the wifi card doesn't allow you to use aircrack properly. At this price, it's a shame
  6. DiabolikMind

    DiabolikMind Member

    To hack you need high ram and graphics, especially when bruteforcing or running vm.
    But you also need good battery if you're going to wardive exc.
    Now, actually you can hack on a 90s pc or netbook or whatever, depending of what you actually need but those are the things I'd look for.

    P.S: about wifi card you should check if it's compatible but you probably be using others usb wifi antennas anyway so maybe it's not that important.
  7. Predator5

    Predator5 Well-Known Member

    Why would graphics be important for hacking? Shouldn't the CPU be important?
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  8. John1223

    John1223 Member

    wen somune put hacking in title I always assum they have no idea wut hackin is and are try to make them sound cooler

    teh fact u have to ask wat good machine is reinforces that... u could get the same answer jus sayin u program and not hack, plus it like admission of guilt to when u commit crime
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  9. DiabolikMind

    DiabolikMind Member

    First of all hacking is not a crime, there's ethical hacking and there's the illegal hacking.
    There are differences between hackers and remember that without them we wouldn't have internet now (as other things).
    Hacking doesn't mean go against the law, that is just a part of it.
    Graphics are important because they help a lot in big computations, for example when you try to break hashes and algorithms, it's extra power.
    Also hacking doesn't involve only programming.
    For example if you go penetration testing somewhere you would need portability, battery and a good wifi card (lets add maybe various ports always depending on what kind you're into).
    Remember that asking is legit, replying is courtesy.
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  10. HypocriticalIdiot

    HypocriticalIdiot Active Member

    I am an ethical hacker and have 2 years experience

    The reason I'm asking because I specialize in keyloggers (and countering them) and other things as well. The reason I'm asking is because I want a machine which I can use as a daily driver as well.

    I know perfectly well for a fact that I can hack on a weaker machine. In fact I currently do it on a 5 year old desktop.

    And it's only illegal if you do it for illegal things. That's like calling boxing illegal.
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  11. Hegdaddy

    Hegdaddy Active Member

    1337 haxx0rs, look out.
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  12. John1223

    John1223 Member

  13. gaykob7

    gaykob7 Well-Known Member

    Must be one of those russian guys who hacked into the dnc
    He must be really brave to release this video as probably the whole world is looking for him
  14. Remamian

    Remamian Well-Known Member

    Lets make sure to keep conversations civil, as previously stated there are very legitimate ways of 'hacking' in fact some major corporations pay programmers to attempt to brute-force various systems to ensure stability and protection.

    That being said, any Razer system should be perfectly fine for most applications you might use. If a program/application requires more than integrated graphics I would not recommend the Stealth variation of the blade (unless you are also looking at the Razer Core)

    Edit: Only other thing to keep in mind is running high Graphics and/or Processor applications for extended periods of time (Decrypting/Encrypting for example) might cause the system to heat up excessively as those sorts of processes tend to be constantly using computer resources at or near 100%. Make sure if you plan to do these to have a secondary laptop cooler/stand to help with overall cooling.
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2017
  15. unicoder

    unicoder New Member

    Hey there! Good question you have. To answer it in short simple terms - Yes you can run a Kali Linux VM on this machine. You need to go into this knowing that while the VM is running, you need to be focused on that, and not leave it running all the time (until you get into headless operation and optimizing your VM)

    However, since I am also in the security field, what I would recommend for you is to get a USB flash drive, or large external drive, and boot that to get to kali linux. You can install Kali to the drive, or boot it as a live environment. That way you can dedicate the entire machine to linux when you need it. (Not because Linux is intensive, but because Kali is not safe to use - and I do not recommend you use it, but that wasn't your question)

    Now for my 2 cents. I recommend you only buy this machine if you need an ultrabook that plays games. You can get any machine off of ebay/craigslist that would do your programming/pentesting for you at the $100-200 range.

    For example: I have an Alienware 17 that I game with, and a throw away Acer laptop that I code on.
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  16. HypocriticalIdiot

    HypocriticalIdiot Active Member

    Excellent, i was hoping for a reply like this by someone who would understand the situation.

    Thanks for all the advice.
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  17. DiabolikMind

    DiabolikMind Member

    Kali isn't a special VM, you can run whatever on it from mint to black arch, what's the point of that? And focused on vm?
    Live? If it doesn't need to tranfer files and capturing data yeah, the external hdd would be good alternative.
    Also why Kali wouldn't be safe to use?!
    As said above it depends also on what you will deal with. If you're going to crack you'll need high graphics even if you won't play on it. If it's just code go on cheap ones.
    At the end it all comes down to what you need and what you don't.
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  18. unicoder

    unicoder New Member

    Hey thanks for your reply. As the OP's question was for whether or not he should buy a gaming ultrabook for virtualization/hacking/coding/gaming, I don't want to derail this thread and make it into a different topic. You sound educated on the subject so I am sure you can respect how much can go into this topic for conversation.

    Kali is not safe to use (mostly as a main operating system) because it is vulnerable (not hardened), and soley just a compilation of tools, that he could download manually to put on a more stable version of linux and run there. You do not need Kali to hack, it is more of a demo of all the current pentesting tools. It is bad practice and unprofessional to have all of those tools (so much that you have no idea what all you have) and running on a machine that you cannot protect yourself on. Again, it was my opinion and I do not want to derail this thread defending it. Hence why I suggested only using it in a live environment, so that he is never at risk other than a need to reboot. Also for beginners, Kali runs by default in root, which will allow him to cause damage and lose his progress and require a reinstall often as he learns.

    I am mostly trying to help him as a beginner by suggesting not to follow normal script-kiddie suggestions of just downloading and installing Kali and everything will be easy. He has a long road ahead.
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  19. DiabolikMind

    DiabolikMind Member

    Lol, kali is not safe as every other system, you just need to get it right and use brain while on it, also it can be easily hardened as any other linux system, thus I suggest to compile the distro himself.
    My questions were about the reply: can I hack on that --> it runs Kali so yes
    Also appeared that Kali took power to run from your message while is just as any other VM (well more or less).
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2017
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  20. GaugePrower

    GaugePrower Member

    GPU's can hash much faster than CPU's for brute force attacks. It's the reason why GPU's can mine Cryptocurrencies so much faster than CPU mining. For example a GTX 970M can mine Cryptos at around 14.25MH/s. Popping basic encryption should go relatively quickly with that kind of computing power if you can program something to use it.

    I wouldn't know how to do that though, I just mine Cryptocurrency with the things lol
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