Razer Core - $399 for Blade users/$499 standalone

Discussion in 'Systems' started by Min-Liang Tan, Mar 16, 2016.

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  1. mling001

    mling001 Active Member

    Ya im with turbo... there is nothing to make me believe it wouldn't work. Nvidia has already released the drivers for the core, right?
     
  2. ididntmemeto

    ididntmemeto Member

    The drivers are more important for the Core's PCIe to thunderbolt 3/USB-c than the graphics card. The computer will see a detachable PCIe device and then it will be up to the manufacturer (AMD or NVidia) to support the card. So essentially, the important thing is the driver for the PCIe interface, not the graphics card. So I see no reason why it would be an issue.
     
  3. 9377519279

    9377519279 Active Member

    If it didn't support the 1080, Razer would have a dud on their hands. I can almost guarantee you it will work.
     
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  4. mmocarski

    mmocarski Active Member

    Obviously, but that's not what I asked. I specifically asked if it would work at release day. Technically speaking, Nvidia hasn't released any Core compatibility drivers yet (to my knowledge) - so it's a valid concern.

    My question, if you read it, specifically asked if it will work on release day of the card, not whether it will work "someday." I'm aware it will work shortly thereafter, but being as it's a new card, and being as the Core hasn't even shipped yet, it's not unreasonable to expect that a brand new (not yet released card) might not have Day 1 support on an as-yet unreleased product. If it does work Day 1, that would mean that Razer and Nvidia collaborated on it, and I would like to hear more from Razer about that.

    I disagree, if that were the case, why was it a big deal when AMD released "XConnect" which "In a nutshell, XConnect is AMD’s trade name for running external video cards via Thunderbolt 3" (from Anandtech, full article here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10133/amd-xconnect-external-radeons).

    If it were only revolving around the Core's drivers, why did AMD need to release XConnect in order to enable their cards to work in the Core (and other detachable graphics scenarios)?

    So... For all those trying to downplay my question sorry, but, yes, it is still valid, and yes, it would be nice for Razer to chime in on it.
     
  5. 9377519279

    9377519279 Active Member

    I feel like you're one of those people who believe being technically right is the best kind of right.
     
  6. I am just saying that Razer, should update their list of compatible cards so as not to have any doubt. I'm not asking for speculation.
    http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth#razer-core-specs
     
  7. ididntmemeto

    ididntmemeto Member

    XConnect helps the AMD drivers and software to recognize that the external PCIe is an eGPU and to change the settings accordingly.

    Think of it this way. Your computer has a driver for a USB port. This can be a port on the motherboard or connected externally. The driver for the peripheral plugged into the USB port doesn't care. Now, they might make a driver that recognizes that it is an external port and adapt accordingly (allow it to be removed without damaging files etc, such as XConnect), but this is not necessary to operation.
     
  8. mmocarski

    mmocarski Active Member

    The whole point of the Core, and one of the huge selling points over other eGfx solutions, is just the feature you mentioned. The ability to dock and use the card without a reboot and the ability to disconnect without a BSOD. There are other eGfx solutions out there that can give me those kinds of issues and are much less expensive.

    That's why I'm curious, I want to know if it will work, as advertised, with the newest generation Nvidia card - since it's not currently on their list of supported / test cards. I am getting a Core and most likely a 1080 gtx in the next one to two weeks, that's a chunk of change right there and I'd like to know what to expect since overall they've been fairly silent on Nvidia and Pascal, especially in regards to the Core.
     
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  9. ididntmemeto

    ididntmemeto Member

    Okay, you are misunderstanding me. The part of the driver software that makes that part work is already there, it is part of the NVidia and AMD basic driver framework. So pretty much any graphics card supported by the framework should work fine. Unless NVidia is going to completely gimp the drivers, there is no reason that it shouldn't work.
     
  10. mmocarski

    mmocarski Active Member

    OK, it's possible that I'm misunderstanding you, but my premise is that the part that allows a "Plug and Play" card is NOT already in Nvidia's framework. Here are quotes from Razer's press release when the Core launched:

    "The graphics enclosure supports a single double-wide, full-length, PCI-Express x16 graphics card. Qualified AMD Radeon™ graphics cards are available for use with the Razer Core. At launch of the Razer Core, NVIDIA will support GeForce GTX GPUs, including the entire lineup of Maxwell GPUs, such as the best-selling GTX 970..."

    They said "will support", not "does support", with emphasis on "Nvidia" being the one to provide the support.

    This is further supported by their product page which states:
    "Plug and Play compatible graphics chipsets
    Qualified AMD Radeon™ graphics cards (AMD XConnect™ supported with Blade Stealth):
    AMD Radeon™ R9 Fury
    AMD Radeon™ R9 Nano
    AMD Radeon™ R9 300 Series
    AMD Radeon™ R9 290X
    AMD Radeon™ R9 290
    AMD Radeon™ R9 285

    Supported NVIDIA® GeForce® graphics cards (at launch):
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX Titan X
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 980 Ti
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 980
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 970
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 950
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 750 Ti
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 750"

    So basically, Radeon cards are supported via XConnect on the Core & Razer Blade Stealth... Nvidia Maxwell cards are supported by "a yet to be determined update that Nvidia promised to have available at launch time."

    I'm just looking for an update from Razer directly. It's clear by their choice of language that even getting support for Plug and Play on the Maxwell cards has not yet been released / finalized - so I'm not likely to assume much about Pascal support. I can make assumptions, I am also hopeful it will work, but Razer's own words are the basis for my concern - if my concerns are baseless then they should be able to easily address them here and then simply update the language on the product page to reflect that it already supports Maxwell cards and the GTX1080.

    I want to be able to test my GTX 1080 as soon as I get it (assuming I can grab one before they sell out) and provided they don't delay the Core, I will have that in my hands in about a week. If there could be issues, I want to know from Razer ahead of time what those might be.
     
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  11. Bullseye07

    Bullseye07 Member


    nvidia drivers with tb3 egpu compatibility were released long ago. http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-36175-drivers-are-out-now-with-support-for-thunderbolt-3/
     
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  12. mmocarski

    mmocarski Active Member

    "Nvidia's new driver offers beta support for running external graphics cards over Thunderbolt 3..."

    Beta support is good, it shows they're close, but I'm pretty sure if it entered a driver as a release candidate, that would have been a bigger deal and they would have had some kind of announcement like AMD did with XConnect. This is most likely why Razer has not updated their product page to indicate that support.
     
  13. Bullseye07

    Bullseye07 Member

    Or option b they have had working units since CES and had bigger things to announce. This isnt the first egpu solution ever, they been around for many years. Its kind of laughable that its taking so long to get to consumers considering the stealth is coming up on 6 months old and it was a major selling point.
     
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  14. mmocarski

    mmocarski Active Member

    Razer's post at the pre-order launch of the Core about two months ago didn't list current support from Nvidia... CES was five months ago, so I doubt they had full fledged support at that time. If Razer was even remotely sure the Nvidia cards already had release level support _they_ would have announced it even if Nvidia didn't... Razer wouldn't pass up the opportunity, if the news would make people feel more comfortable with it, Razer would get more $$$.
     
  15. Bullseye07

    Bullseye07 Member

    They

    Cant get money if people cant buy the product.
     
  16. I find it kind of hilarious that people are worried if the GTX 1080 will work with the Razer Core (it will) when the GTX 1080 goes on sale in less than a week and the Razer Core has been nothing but vaporware now for 3 months. The Core was a major factor in my purchase of the Stealth and I'm beginning to wonder if it's ever going to be released.
     
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  17. statton4

    statton4 Member

    mine tooo,guess we will find out on monday.....
     
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  18. ididntmemeto

    ididntmemeto Member

    So Razer, its been over 3 months since this thread was created and we don't have a ship date, and many of us haven't even been able to order yet. Please give us an update.
     
  19. statton4

    statton4 Member

    pre-order ship date says 5\23\16- next monday...........hopefully
     
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  20. daveros63

    daveros63 New Member

    Wait, I think I've just clicked - have I been under an incorrect understanding of the Core? Does it not have HDD bays?

    Did I just buy a 128GB RBS without doing my homework properly? Oh good.
     
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