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Simple answer about the GTX970, for the under-informed.

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by xByakko, Feb 5, 2015.

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  1. xByakko

    xByakko Member



    The video sums it up simply. Yes, performance is not as good as it is advertised (by nVidia), but no, GTX970 is not a bad GPU. From a few recent threads I've been seeing, it seems many people are either misinformed or under-informed.

    Also, please remain objective in the replies, no fan-boy wars please? (Let the flaming begin -hides-)
     
  2. Zikiko

    Zikiko Active Member

    If it runs the game you play at a setting you like, why complain? XD Personally I like AMD but the 970 is good. x3 Its not gonna make your PC open a portal to hell as soon as you go 3.6GB
     
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  3. I don't really understand this either. In my mind, all you have to do is look at these benchmarks:

    http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_960_strix_2_way_sli_review,18.html

    I just can't find anything that would perform better in that price range.
     
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  4. _ramsey_

    _ramsey_ Active Member

    I don't think it's a big deal, but it does give me pause when looking at laptops with 970m + 6GB of VRAM or 980m + 8GB VRAM.

    If the desktop GTX 970 can only utilize 3.5 GB at top speed and then falls off to 1/7 the speed afterward, can I really expect to get much use out of that extra VRAM in the mobile cards?

    I also read that NVidia is planning to ship 970/980 cards with up to 8GB VRAM. Based on the explanation I've seen above, those sound like a waste of money.
     
  5. Emexrulsier

    Emexrulsier Member

    Also does it really matter, lets say it was only 3.5Gb it is still beating the competition for cards based on similar power/price point.
     
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  6. THIS ^^^
     
  7. xShAdEz

    xShAdEz Member

    This is nice, Do you guys know a video that talk about 980 in more in depth? Is there a much better? I'm on hunt for pc parts for next year build and I want it to be able to handle any games for the next 5+ years or so...
     
  8. Here is a video that goes over 980 features:


    Here are some video that compare 970 vs 980 in-game performance with different processors:



    And here's another one that compares 970 vs 980 vs top tier AMD cards:


    In my opinion, if you want to future-proof your computer and you have the money, 980 is the way to go.
     
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  9. Emexrulsier

    Emexrulsier Member

    the x80 series eg 680, 780, 980 etc have always been the premium card really but based on price it just doesn't give the bang for buck over the x70s. If you want almost identical performance to the 980 you could go for 960 SLI and save some money whilst doing so.

    I have some holidays to pay off this year first (yes holidays plural :D) and then I plan on getting 2 x 970 Phantoms.
     
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  10. You have to be careful here, 960 is meant for playing at 1080p - reports seem to suggest that performance starts to suffer if you go beyond that. Also, I would prefer to have a single 980 card, rather than 2x 960 SLI configuration. The difference between the cost of the two setups would be within $100. However, you will have 2 cards producing heat and 2 cards requiring power (need higher wattage PSU). Also, some games require specific drivers in order to be able to run SLI profiles, but I don't know how much of an issue that has been in the past.

    Your 2x 970 setup sounds pretty great. I am working towards a single 970 for now :)
     
  11. Manahotep

    Manahotep Active Member

    The controversy is kind of ridiculous the benchmarks are still the valid benchmarks regardless of whether it’s a 3.5 gb card or a 4gb card… it still stomps a 780 at half the price. THE BENCHMARKS HAVE NOT CHANGED just people perception and nerd rage about being lied to.It is still the best value and one of the best cards on the planet
     
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  12. BORUzer

    BORUzer New Member

    The controversy is that it's sold as a 4GB. 3.5GB is plenty for 1080p, but in the EU at least, there's meant to be protection from this sort of thing - (I'm aware it's 3.5GB + 0.5GB gimped)
     
  13. Manahotep

    Manahotep Active Member

    I get the argument but the performance and benchmarks dont change... Are you gonna sue ford because the 300 engine horsepower isnt what is applied to the tires? even though it still does 0-60 in the time it advertised? i think people are just nerd raging. the performance is still stunning for the money and overall.
     
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  14. BORUzer

    BORUzer New Member

    Not really, even the clock speeds are less than, what they sold it as. When I but something, I expect it to do/be what it states. Might just be a cultural thing.
     
  15. Creeford

    Creeford Member

    I haven't noticed any clock speeds being less on my 970s. Those are correct.
     
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  16. BORUzer

    BORUzer New Member

    Can you inform me on what 'those' are? Because even Nvidia has had to update their specifications to the correct ones.
     
  17. RyuMakkuro

    RyuMakkuro New Member

    Before this was discovered: GTX970 was OP in performance
    After this was discovered: GTX970 still is OP in performance

    The only thing that changed is the fact that people from AMD acted like some kids, making my opinion about them worse.
    That GPU was, is and will be OP for quite some time.

    Also, mobile GPU's and versions with different RAM amount differ slightly in their build, so I wouldn't be really bothered by this much if at all.
     
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  18. Creeford

    Creeford Member

    MSI GTX 970 GAMING 4G Golden Edition
    Core Clock: 1165 MHz
    Boosted Clock: 1317 MHz
    Memory: 4.0 GB (actually at 3.99 GB)

    The same it has always been for my 970s since the first day I saw it released.
     
  19. Destrok

    Destrok Well-Known Member

    I just built a new rig with a 970 in it, runs farcry 4 at ultra. It is really quiet too. No complaints from me so far. I love it.
     
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  20. xByakko

    xByakko Member

    BIG MISUNDERSTANDING you have there, its NOT that the gtx970 cannot handle more memory, thats ridiculous, but rather the default 4gb setup of memory on gtx970(not the mobile version, which has a 'M' at the end) is split into two stacks, 1 3.5gb stack which runs at full speed, 1 500mb stack which slows down to 1/7th speed. therefore if they release a gtx970 with more vram, they should have corrected the memory structure so that it will use all the memory on full speed.

    mobile "cards" are completely different in structure, you cannot compare them directly with desktop gpu cards. so no, mobile gpus are not affected at all by this incident, the memory on the 970M runs full speed.

    i have no idea where you got the news that the clock speed was corrected or was incorrect, the specs that were corrected are the ROPs and cache, not the clock speed. this whole fiasco is on the memory structure, not clock speed. i suggest you actually watch the linked video if you havent already. also clock speed vary on every brand and skew.
     
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