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  1. Draklor40_no_id

    Draklor40_no_id New Member

    I am a developer based out of India. Please sell this in India. There is a dire lack of good quality laptops that can run Linux issues. The only option to have a good Linux based laptop is to buy a 1000USD ish HP or Lenovo (which is really expensive) and pray really hard that it supports Linux. There are plenty of developers I know that are okay with the price, but the lack of support and quality is frustrating. The market is filled with nothing but sucky 1366x768 screens with ultra low contrast and extremely horrible color shifts. here would be a nice basic laptop that I am pretty sure plenty of us would buy if Razer were to make one.

    1. i5 or i7 processor (the HQ option with builtin graphics and the L4 cache is great as its drivers are shipped by default with Linux)
    2. 8 GB of RAM with easy expansion options (tool less ram slot entry, extra slot)
    3. 128/256 Gigs of SSD (preferably 128 Gigs on the M2 slot, so that the SATA slot is open for further expansion.
    4.. 14 or 15inch Matte 1080p screen housed inside a sturdy lid. The quality of screen lids on some of these laptops is utterly horrible, mere plastic sheet over the LCD board.
    5.Backlit keyboard (Need not be fancy RGB LEDS, plain white would do)
    6. A functioning trackpad.

    It is heartening to see that Razer is taking building a linux laptop seriously and is asking for feedback. I seriously hope that you guys build one and make it easier for devs/gamers to use Linux without having to hack around for days
  2. I haven't read through the entire thread - but I did see lots of people asking for ports of software such as Synapse. Here's a better idea. Don't port Synapse. Instead provide specifications, documentation and/or maybe an API and allow *native* support of things rather than haphazard support and integration by Razer.
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  3. cheekymon

    cheekymon New Member

    Yes, I think Linux running on any notebook is an essential before I would even consider buying the notebook. I could not imagine developing on a Windows machine. I simply use Windows for gaming. Even if I were a Windows developer (I have been in the past), I'd still be using Linux as a VM to improve the work I do. These days, I mostly do development in an Oracle Virtualbox VM.

    There are certain things though, which basically require running Linux natively. One of those things is android development. Since I couldn't really bear to do development on Windows, simply because it would slow me down too much, I need Linux to do android development. Android development isn't all that stable through the simulated USB of Virtualbox; and you can't run the android phone VMs inside of a VM.

    Dual boot would be essential. I'd want to be able to game too ya know! :D

  4. xfreshWindsorTan631

    xfreshWindsorTan631 New Member

    I don't know if someone else has commented here already on this topic but what I'd love to see is support for the Razer Core in Linux, specifically with regard to CUDA applications.
  5. knotted10_no_id

    knotted10_no_id New Member

    Amazing news, I'd totally buy one.

    Perfect combination:
    - Razer hardware with linux support including all peripheral drivers
    - Major desktop environments themes (XFCE, KDE, Mate, Gnome, Cinnamon, etc)
  6. Would love to get a native app to change the settings of my blackwidow ultimate! I currently use the polychromatic package to do this.
  7. Make sure to test your hardware and watch for all those errors/warnings in dmesg. Optimus hardware can be made to work on recent with recent drivers, but make sure to make it easy to enable or provide you own package to configure it (bumbleebe currently needs the development version to work with recent xorg/nvidia driver and the driver version is fixed in the configuration, every upgrade needs to reconfigure :frown_:)
  8. At a minimum it needs a custom version of coreboot&seabios. They are commercially proven on one of the major mobile platforms (Chromebooks). There can be no excuse to use some closed source UEFI monstrosity.

    If Razer is really serious about being part of making Linux gaming a success, instead of just throwing a laptop out there only really suitable for expert users, get in contact with Valve and convince them they need to get more involved with the hardware side if they ever want to make SteamOS user friendly.

    Chromebooks are the shining example of where Linux gaming should move. An idiot proof OS, made for a limited number of hardware configurations, so all driver/firmware updates can be pushed and Q&A'd centrally, with all applications isolated from each other (Steam for Linux already does this for games with chroot, Snaps seem the most promising way to do this for general purpose applications).

    This is not to say it should be as locked down as Chrome OS, you would certainly want to make it much easier for users to boot into their own OS and run them in VMs (with pass through for any secondary more powerful GPUs). But the default OS should be maintenance free, slick and designed for non expert users.

    SteamOS is halfway there, but they seem to be reluctant to make a final step and follow in Google's footsteps ... until they do Linux gaming will not go mainstream.
  9. Hedora

    Hedora New Member

    Start small and solid. Nvidia linux / optimus drivers are terrible, so 2/3s of your line is already a non starter, and I suspect the core is not working seamlessly either yet. (AMD radeon open source drivers are actually acceptable for linux gaming *and* suspend resume these days, but I think there are some power management issues)

    So, that leaves the new razer blade stealth for the rest of 2017. There is an acpi bug (google infinite suspend loop). Go fix that in a bios update. Atheros wifi is OK, but new models can't tell linux what speed they connected to the access point at. They work fine, but report 5mbit or something. Offer a option for 100% supported hardware (which means intel wifi, and probably no other changes else right now).

    Test with the linux distros, and also the bsd's. They share much of the same driver stacks, and the bsd guys find linux driver bugs. A few developer salaries worth of donations to open source projects would go a long way.

    Finally, make the 2018 razer blades a 'long term support' line that will be built until 2022 with bugfix only hardware changes, and tint the rear screen logo gray instead of green on the LTS laptops. You will become legends. Google OpenBSD thinkpad x220.

    Finally, on the linux/lts version replace the windows key logo with something else. Razer logo, tux, beastie, stallman, anything.

    In parallel with that, set up continuous testing with the linux development kernels, and report regressions before they get into release kernels.
    Hactar88, _ramsey_ and pms1969 like this.
  10. organgtool

    organgtool New Member

    Wow, you're delivering desktop hardware in a tiny, svelte package and now you're interested in supporting Linux AND soliciting suggestions? You're doing everything you can to try to get my hard-earned money!

    First off, as cool as it would be to create your own distribution, that would take a monumental amount of effort. Plenty of people seem to be satisfied with Ubuntu, although you may want to consider offering Mint or RedHat/CentOS as well. Offering a dual-boot option with Windows would also be great for some people. Also, a discount for choosing Linux would be great so that we don't have to pay the Windows tax if we don't select a dual-boot config.

    Like others have said, Synapse on Linux would be very appreciated. I have never used Synapse, but if it doesn't already have the capability of selecting power-saving options then that would be a welcome addition.

    Desktop environments are a controversial subject, so you may want to poll your audience. My suggested options include Unity, Gnome, KDE, XFCE, Cinnamon, and Mate. We can always install our own environment but it would save some hassle if our favorite environment was pre-installed. Perhaps have the most popular environments offered as a built-to-order option.

    I focused on software first since it wasn't clear if you're looking to add support to existing hardware or create entirely new hardware. If you're creating new hardware, I have some suggestions. The Razer Blade Pro appears to be an amazing laptop assuming you have the money. Many Linux users are software developers who used to prefer Macbook Pro hardware. However, over the past several years Apple has removed many features that we want such as a 17" screen and user-upgradeable RAM, storage, and batteries. No one has stepped in to offer a powerful laptop in a small chassis until you offered the Razer Blade Pro but the price really stings - it's actually a bit too powerful for people if you're not looking to game. Perhaps you could create a new line of laptops that trade off a bit of power for better battery life and a lower price. If you could offer a capable 17" laptop for about $2500, I think you will see a lot of interest. I would also be personally happy if the screen used OLED or quantum dots.

    And thank you for considering Linux as well as working with the community! My aging 10-year old Macbook Pro really needs a replacement and based on your latest products and engagement with the Linux community, I imagine my next laptop could likely be a Razer.
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  11. anonymous320

    anonymous320 New Member

    My dream portable workstation

    -USB-C Thunderbolt 3 for dual display out or for External Graphics Card
    -4K @ 60fps video onboard GPU support with FreeSync
    -16:10 ratio at a minimum of 1920x1200 resolution (optional touchscreen)
    -USB-C connection on top screen for detachable camera, microphone, speaker, Wifi and Bluetooth 4.2 with a2dp(E-aptX)
    -Removable keyboard (so I can switch beetween qwerty, azerty or E Ink keyboard panel)
    -No legacy connection (VGA,DVI,hdmi,displayport,headphone or microphone jack, USB Type A)
    -ECC memory
    -32 GB RAM
    -2 internal hard drive support
    -1Gbps Ethernet through USB-C
    -Hard drive, Camera, Microphone, Wifi, Bluetooth and Ethernet flashing led indicator
    -USB-C charging

    Thank for letting me share my thought.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2017
  12. sightAshGreypoly752

    sightAshGreypoly752 New Member

    Great news! Excited you are considering Linux.

    As a software engineer, I would love to leave the Mac eco system. The hardware has become too expensive, and too limiting.

    I don't have the luxury of having a work computer and a home computer. So whatever I switch to needs to work for both.

    A few things are holding me back from the move:

    - Appearance. I'm regularly meeting with customers, and while I love gaming, I can't show up with a neon green logo on the back and a glowing keyboard and be taken seriously. The branding needs to be changed (or changeable) for me to consider this machine

    - the Windows / Linux driver circus. I have never had to download drivers on Mac, they work out of the box

    - Crap-ware. I want hardware and an OS, not an experience center, not a photo upload helper app, and certainly not a "Lenovo App Store" type thing

    - Dual boot pain. Can I use Windows and Linux without having to spend hours configuring dual boot?

    As you adapt the system for Linux, please consider the above. Hope to be using a Razor Blade in late 2017. ;)
  13. pms1969

    pms1969 New Member

    Well blow me over. I was pretty much getting the new Razer Blade as.my next laptop, but was going to blow away windows in favour of an Arch based distro.

    Pretty much a no brainier now.

    I'd like to echo support for extra RAM configurations, and as long as all the hardware works with any Linux or BSD, you're onto a winner.
  14. Signed up to post this -- fantastic! My last two laptops have been an Alienware 13 and 15. I love them both but it's been a struggle to get Ubuntu working well.

    The big points for me:
    • Don't roll everything yourself. Instead, find bugs in the drivers for your components and push fixes upstream.
    • Have your own PPA for fixes so you can support the latest and greatest while fixes are being integrated upstream.
    • Main pain points:
      • Suspend/resume
      • WiFi
      • HDPI support
      • NVIDIA / Optimus
      • Sound / headphone / speaker switching
      • Great touchpad support / multitouch
    If you can nail those, I'd say goodbye to my stack of Alienware's in a heartbeat.
  15. Scott Muller_no_id

    Scott Muller_no_id New Member

    Awesome! It would be nice if you would make a more advanced bios for some users. I had to hack my version to be able to get the Core and nvidia 1080 working under Linux. Now dual booting win 10 and xubuntu 16.04 with external graphics on the Core. It's nice being able to drive 4 external displays like a real desktop :)
  16. flv_no_id

    flv_no_id New Member

    How about proper hardware accelerated decoding (video playback) working on all browsers out of the box?
  17. Mozilla simply hasn't put any code for it in Firefox, don't really expect Razer to fix that. Chromium with VAAPI support hacked back in doesn't really impress with CPU usage either. I expect this to remain a cluster**** until the transition to Mir/Wayland.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2017

  18. It doesn't mean any of those things. You're confusing your end-term goals with the near-term steps that they could take to make things better. Basically confusing apples and Ferraris.

    i want Ryzen, not intel, I do care about funky colors (because I spend hours and hours with this thing, and aesthetic actually is a pleasant side-effect, even if you can't quantify it). Standard, non-proprietary interfaces are good, with you on that.

    Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but as a fellow coder I wanted to disagree on this part: screen real-estate is awesome, I love it, and I need it to see more code and documentation on the same physical space. Please, Razer, consider not overlooking this form-factor. There's a business case for it: you make high-end machines, and Apple no longer does the 17" thing. I think it's worth it for you, and if you make a 17" then I will buy two machines, not one machine from you. a 17" machine doesn't lack portability.

    Who said this was going to be easy?

    I was also leaning pretty heavily towards a razer for my next laptop, and this completely cemented me on that. I don't require perfection on this, but the fact that they're showing intentions to take Linux seriously gets my support immediately.
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 7, 2017
  19. I am asking a little:

    -NO dual boot.

    -Only Linux distro ! (Ubuntu is good start. It has no issues.)

    -Specs dont matter so much.... i5 + gtx1050ti or Ryzen ??? + someAMDGPU, when good drivers support is available.

    -Easy ssd + memory swap.

    -Good / better RAZER hardware support.

    -Many BIOS / UEFI options
    *At least [remote usb keyboard power on] option.... When it is enabled it is possible boot pc with Steam Controller....

    (I have started saving already ;) )
  20. lxrocks_no_id

    lxrocks_no_id New Member

    Awesome news !!

    I'm a developer and a long time Mac user. But of late, Apple's failure to provide technology improvements in the mac range is very disappointing. So I am in the market for a solid linux dev laptop platform with high compute CPU and 64GB+ memory, top of the range Nvidia GPU support (CUDA), 17" screen.

    Linux Desktop does tend to be a somewhat cumbersome in the plug and play department - especially with bluetooth keyboards, mice, headphones , wifi - so a Good place to focus proprietary efforts.
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